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Subject: Go away from Nepal
Ferro    5/17/2002 10:51:42 PM
The problems of Nepal should be solved by the Nepalese peoples. the Current government in Nepal is asking help from US, Britain, India, Russia and others to crush the insurgency.

This means it has very little support in the ground. If people in Nepal dont want a anti-people puppet government, why should westerners impose it on them?
In any case, guns and bullets will not solve the problem in Nepal. So Leave Nepal alone.
 
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brave nepali    RE:Go away from Nepal   7/5/2002 6:50:23 AM
y dotn u shut up and thik before making stupid arguments like these? do u have any idea wut u r talking about? do u really believe that more people are supporting maoists than the popular govt. what about ur ground reality do u have one? i dotn think so. yeah ud like them to leave nepal alone so that maoists can take aver using their terror and killing now wouldnt u?
 
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Rashtrabadi Nepali    RE:Go away from Nepal   7/6/2002 10:58:30 AM
Well why the change in heart??..or do maoists have any heart...? So, you believe in solving Nepali problems by the nepali people??? How come you have hired mercenaries form the LTTE and the MCC and the Naxalites? Do you propose that they are Nepalese? If you hire them into Nepali soil then why do you object the present govt. from getting help from the countries you named? See.. what I mean?? You all are so alike... give you an example...Shyam went into the jungle late one night.. he never returned... Next day the villagers found the body and saw scratch marks and deep wounds as if some animal from the panthera family had tirn the flesh.. Now, does it really matter if it was a tiger or a leopard?? Shyam died and there was grief everywhere...who cares if it was a tiger or a leopard? The fact is that there was a huge loss to Shyam's family... So who cares if the govt. invited the foreign force of the maoists invited the mercernaries...you all are the same. If you think that the guns and bullets won't solve the problem, why do you loot the guns and bullets form the army and the police and start the armed struggle and terrorism? You should have thought this before. Now that you have opened up the "Pandora's Box" why are you afraid? You are saying this just because you do not have the bullets and the popular support like you used to and that the only thing you had..."guts and pride"..are gone too. We Nepalese want to get this over with and can wait even if this means you will come out to slit our throats... If there is peace talks and cease fire.. you will find time and resources to gather more illusioned poor villagers and more bullets and mortars and that means more destruction and deaths.. NO THANK YOU.. I personally like this situation... Not that the govt. is better...you all are the same.. just different names... Together....--- Rakshyas !!!
 
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Forester    RE:Go away from Nepal-----to Rastrabadi   7/7/2002 10:34:17 AM
As Marx said that 'all written history of Mankind is the History of Struggle of classes'. Same is true for Nepal. Government is getting material help from capitalist world and Maobadi is getting moral support in its struggle against the feudal puppet regime from the working class around the world. for maobadi, the support from Working class in India will be crucial, where as for Puppet Gyane and Shere, the support from Exploiters Classes in India will mean life or death. When equal rights meet, force decides. Lets see who will come victorious in Nepal. The poorest country in the world, with world class smuggler as King, serial killer as Crown Prince, Hegemonist India as neighbour, who is itself drowned with Ethnic liberation movements for decades..... Doesn't this ensure the victory for the World Class Movement like Maobadi? the Whole world has accepted that the centre of Gravity of Revolutionary transformation has shifted towards Nepal. So it is immaterial what a handful of pendulums like you think on the outcome of the struggle of Nepal. Victory in Nepal is ensured. You will see republic of nepal very soon. People in the villages are so fed up with RNA, whose soldiers go to villages almost drunk, who treat village women badly, who kill ordinary Hali or Gothala, Bhariya etc. Even if Maoist is Defeated, the people of this country will definitely overthrow the Puppet regime. do you understand these ground realities?
 
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brave nepali    here is the ground reality   7/7/2002 5:26:11 PM
wutever respect and good will u had with the common people has already evaporated after they have seen u guys killign anyone who doesnt believe in u like political workers of other parties, teachers and even small children like u guys did in chitwan, instead of trying to convince them. the other ground reality is that u have been using villagers and their land and foo for ur own advantage. u r just giving some frustrated and innocent civilians a way to vent their frustration in a totally unacceptable way. people are frustrated wiht current political leaders but iam sure by now majority of nepalis have already realized that you are just worse than them. and finally u guys are probably against the wall right now unable to get any money by lootingh and terrorizing comong people by writing them letters in ur letter pad, indians have banned ur organization and rna is kicking ur ass. i am sure it wont take long before we again will be able to live in peace without worrying about anebody abducting us, killing us or terrorizing us.
 
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Forester    RE:here is the ground reality   7/7/2002 10:49:12 PM
"RNA will kick your ass....." I am hearing this for a long time. Who is kicking whose ass, actually? Your RNA is limited to the Air (HAWA) without any control at ground, except a patch of land in district headquarters! Maoist is blamed as killing teachers, social workers etc. That's not true. Maoist is killing INFORMANTS of the Puppet Regime. And these informants are also being killed by giving warning letter before hand to change their behaviour. If they dont change, and continue informing Police on Maoist Activity, they are doomed to die! Thats the law of every civil war. Nepal cannot be an exception.
 
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Rashtrabadi Nepali    RE:Go away from Nepal-----to Forester   7/8/2002 12:42:22 AM
My dear Forester...It is extremely easy to hallucinate the realities.. easy to believe that what we love so dear will certainly come true and the ideologies that we so dearly accept in to our lives are the best "World Class"..as you put it! There is nothing "World Class" in killing and being killed.. Peace is the only solution that can previal...You might be right in sdaying that the Maoists will come to power making Nepal a Republic...But that is the future and no one knows for sure what it holds for us. The "Ground Reality" is that the popular maoist movement is NOT so popular anymore. What the hell does Marx know anyway? Look at what he has accomplished in Russia and the past Eastern Germany? Yes, I guess you have shifted your ideologies to Marx instead of Mao..In any case Nepal is Nepal and we are Nepalese and we need the way of Nepalese Life and our Nepalese Ideologies. This does not however mean that Nepal has to retain its feudal system or the killers and smugglers should be in power. We Nepalese need pure Nepalese ideologies and TRUE People to rule Nepal. And I certainly know that you maoists do not qualify. Coccaine and Hashish and Rape and Killing comes so natural to you people. So, if you guys do these unspeakable acts of violence..it is for the higher purpose and if somebody else does then they are facists, feudals, etc..etc... Why? Why not everybody just simply live truthfully and peacefully? Look at what you have said..."You Pendulums". Well for you guys there is no neutral thoughts.. either you are a Bourgeois, facists, Feudals and infidels or you are the Great Maoists. Why cannot you accept that people might posess individual free thinking? I guess you do not care about the individual thoughts and that individual prosperity is your enemy. So.. is it.. Individualism = Bad.. Free Speach = Bad...Creativity= Bad? So, what is the difference between you and them? You ARE so much alike. You cannot brand Neutral Free Thought ideology as pendulum? What the hell do you know about us? Pendulum is something like "Dahi Chiure"; supporting sides according to individual gains.. But we do not support sides...we just do not agree with you or the govt. on doing things. We just believe that Nepal should be pure, safe, peaceful and prosperous the free will way. I guess you are the faulty pendulum stuck at the left side of the Nepalese clock!!! We are not handfuls.. We just don't believe in taking out our guns and start killing like the maniacs. What is class struggle? Who decides Class? Just so that the have nots cannot improve and prosper doesn't mean that he or she is oppressed by the haves all. If you work you will succeed. Yes.. there have been poor govt. on many aspects of Development but you cannot brand people into classes and brainwash them. Class struggle is a vague theory..instead proper development and prosperity for the people should be the struggle for. Taking Nepal into a civil war scenario is SOOOOOO Stupid. Let me tell you this.. Maoists may rule Nepal but for a maximum of 4 years.. Look at what happened to this so called democracy? You cyber Maoists are too ignorant to see it in a totality sense.. For you it is just "Marx", "Facists", "Feudals", "autocracy", "Capitalists".. Just the parakeet speaking its masters' line! Ha ha ha
 
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Rashtrabadi Nepali    RE:here is the ground reality   7/8/2002 12:46:12 AM
Maoist is blamed as killing teachers, social workers etc. That's not true. (((((WHAT))))) Be ashamed of telling more lies.. You hack teachers, social workers, 6 year old children, poor villagers are taken to the frontline under the point of the gun... There is nothing more to say to you.. as you will just start to lie again....or say for the greater cause..."Greater Cause a nut case cause"
 
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Forester    RE:Go away from Nepal-----to Forester   7/8/2002 3:49:36 AM
Dear Rastrabadi: Thank you for your discussion or rather grumbling in some length. You look somewhat Utopian, please come to the ground level, see the realities. Let me take the issues raised by you one by one: 1- You said that Marxism is dead. In 1998, on the 150 Year of Publication of Fanifesto of Communist Party, USA published the Manifesto for Corporate America, with a price tag of USD 20. Why? Why a Book let costing less than 50 cents costs 20 dollars? Because the US ruling classes are so afraid with the "dead" ideology that it decided to publish the manifesto in such a way that little guys cannot buy and read it! 2- Socialism is dead in Russia. Please see the debt of Russia in 1991-1992 in World Bank. The Debt of Soviet Russia was 35B where as in 1991, World Bank and IMF gave Russia 40B Dollars loan. This Happened in the Year when Gorbachev's regime was liquidated. It is clear to a fishwife that the money went to dismantle the System by Bribing Gorbachev and Yeltsin etc. If a referendum is conducted today in Russia, 70% people will vote for Soviet Union! 3- You argue that we should bring True Nepalese to rule Nepal. Thats a great Idea. Will India Allow this to happen? Starting from Madan Bhandari up to King Birendra's killing, it is proved that India will never allow a TRUE NEPALI STATESMAN to emerge. Every Nepali leader who will tried to defend our National interests are liquidated. 4- Coccaine or Hasshish: So far no capitalist power has been able to prove that Maoists are engaged in Drugs. If they have found any evidence, the press and media will have been shouting about this each minutes each day! 5- Living peacefully: Good deram. But how? Look at the gap between Rural and Urban nepal. The Ruling classes so far wanted the Nepalese to go to India and they will be taking the cream from this country together with Shah-Ranas, Marwadies etc. Even Darjeelinge's enjoy life in Kathmandu. But Kathmandu has no vision for vast majority of people. How can this situation continue? Should not the people demand their rights? And when people demand their rights, you petty-bourgeois elements cry: Dont disturb the Peace in the country? Peace for whom? So Petty Bourgeois Rastrabadi: come out of your box!
 
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Forester    RE:here is the ground reality- to Rastrabadi   7/8/2002 4:02:48 AM
How far are you familiar with Police Tactics? The Police has hired school teachers etc to inform it on Maobadi activities. Therefore these informants are being liquidated. Maobadi has apologized for the death of a girl in chitwan. That's all. But do you know how many innocent people are killed by RNA? The RNA guys are half drunk, they kill people whoever comes before the barrel of their guns. They have daily quota of deaths that they need to fulfill. If they see a pretty women, they take her away. No one can protest! People in the villages are so frustated with RNA, that Maobadi is not needed anymore! As soon as the emergency will be lifted, people will themselves overthrow this Puppet Regime! Thats why this regime needs state of emergency! Once it is lifted, it will be an end of Gyan Bahadur and his lackeys!
 
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Rashtrabadi Nepali    RE:Go away from Nepal-----to Forester   7/8/2002 12:35:27 PM
You have done it again... Why do you brand anyone not agreeing with you a Bourgeois? You guys have so limited sight. You follow a very narrow lane.. anything against you to blame it on the govt. or the society or the class difference or the facist govt. or the capatalist society. Anything "comm." you speak like parrots. Wonder why they keep the parrots in cages??? I hope you read my post to Indigo.. It will answer you post on the "Gap betn Urban and Village" Do you think only you live in the village? Do you think that only you have been around the remote Nepal?? Am I permitted to laugh here? Who raped and killed the female comrades in the training camps in Rapti? I certainly did not. Do you expect us Nepalese to only follow the News that we are fed by either you or the govt.? Tough luck Jungle Bro..You call me a dreamer??? Every citizen has to be a dreamer...for only dreams are made reality.. You just keep shouting what your masters tell you to.. what is the difference between you and the facist Girja-Deuba govt.? The internet costs.. NRs. 12,000/ per year..so, are you saying they put up this rate so that the poor villagers will not get access to the world? Do not make me laugh... First educate them and provide computers... get them to the class rooms instead of abducting teachers and headmasters.. You justify your acts because the teachers are informants.. what about the police and rna killing maoists informants? This is justified too..I guess... JUST GET OUT OF NEPAL!! This is all I have to say to you...while you stay cozy in your room and speak about the poor villagers.. what irony!!! JUST READ MY POST TO INDIGO... Ram and Shyam..
 
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Forester    RE:Go away from Nepal-----Rastrabadi   7/8/2002 9:55:33 PM
Tell me what is your strategy for Nepal? All characters like you were silent when the Panchayats and Girijas, Shahs and Ranas were looting this country for decades. But when Maoist initiated Peoples War, all of you guys came out of Musa-ko-Dulo and started shouting Maoist of Violating Peace? Why didn't you demand State of Emergency against Corrupt Politicians and Kalo Bazariayas in Nepal over the decades? SO what is your plan for Nepal? What is your vision? You said that True Leaders should come to rule Nepal. If such naive thinking is capable of changing the Real world, the world might have been a "Ram Rajya" long ago at the time of Rishi-Munis. SO...Tell me what is your strategy for Nepal. Then we will talk more.
 
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brave nepali    RE:here is the ground reality   7/9/2002 7:10:33 AM
i cant laugh enough on ur reply. ok so rna is on the district headuarters and u r all over nepal. oh imight be in illusion maoists actually have already taken over nepal. hahahahahaha. but even u have to agree that u havent been able to loot anemore banks now cant u just agree to that???? i guess ull now say maoists never looted banks. where do u get al ur weapons from? and ull say oh we built them? y not u idiots. ur demise is coming soon thats the reality. i hope it sinks in to u.
 
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brve nepali    RE:here is the ground reality- to Rastrabadi   7/9/2002 7:13:26 AM
oh wow look at ur word informants were liquidated. cant believe that. so rna soldiers have taken all the pretty women away? the otehr day u were saying all the pretty women have been sold to india ow u were sayign they are taken by army . u just love to make these inflaming comments whihc have no reality now dont u? .
 
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Forester    to 'brave lackeys of Feudal Monarchy!   7/10/2002 1:01:37 AM
OK. Go ahead laughing...... But remember this proverb: "The Best laugh will be his, who will laugh in the end". Forester
 
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DrCruel    RE:Go away from Nepal-----to Rastrabadi   7/8/2003 6:45:45 PM
>>As Marx said that 'all written history of Mankind is the History of Struggle of classes'. Same is true for Nepal. Government is getting material help from capitalist world and Maobadi is getting moral support in its struggle against the feudal puppet regime from the working class around the world. What utter crap. The Maobadi are terrorists. That's why they need to terrorize people into acquiescence. Working classes? In Nepal? The country is pre-industrial, you idiot! This sounds as stupid as what your Bolshevik cousins did in Afghanistan (when they killed off over 10% of the population, looking for those "exploited proletariat" goat-herders... What homicidal bastards the Marxists are. They murdered over 2% of the WORLD'S population in the 20th century, and are still thirsty for more blood. >>Victory in Nepal is ensured. You will see republic of nepal very soon. You can say that again. That's why we ought to help the winning side defeat these PRC puppet terrorists, before they can murder any more defenseless "exploiter" peasants and their children.
 
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