Who will win the civil war?

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SGTObvious RE:Who will win the civil war? 6/8/2004 2:56:51 PM

"I have heard..." From WHO, we wonder?

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RE:Who will win the civil war? 6/25/2004 8:03:45 PM

I think this conflict can go either way depending on what steps are taken by the government and people of Nepal. I don't know if I have any special insight into this conflict, but my wife was born and raised in eastern Nepal, and I have visited there once. I offer the following personal observations about Nepal and this conflict. 1.) The number one problem is corruption which causes the proverty, lack of opportunity, and hopelessness that the Maoist are exploiting. 2.) After the country was open to the outside world in 1950, the people of Nepal were exposed to other people and ideas from around the world. At the same time their level of eduction increased their understanding of their place in the world and their expectations. More people realized that they were and are being screwed by the elite families that run the country. 3.) Over half the population is under 30, and has few job prospects or hope for a better life. Many of these people have nothing to loose. They literally have nothing but their culture, and the clothes that they are wearing (this is no exaggeration). 4.) By Nepali standards we don't have poor people in the US. 5.) Due to their culture and the physical environment they grow up in, Nepalis can be molded into the most formidable soldiers in the world (i.e. the British Gurkah regiments). From my perspective, Nepal needs good leadership to fight corruption so that the economy will improve. An improved economy will take the wind out of the sails of the Maoists. Nepal can become the Switzerland of Asia due to its unique, beautiful, and tolerant culture, its unique geography and natural beauty, and its hydroelectric potential: enough to supply a large portion of India's energy needs. I hope our government (US) will lean on the powers that be in Nepal, and make them see that their lives and the future of Nepal depend on getting their house in order, and defeating the Maoists in battle. The king of Nepal and the ruling class need to remember that the Maoist have a pretty tough track record when it comes to human rights (i.e. the Chinese revolution, the Cambodian Khmer Rouge, and the Shining Path rebels of Peru). If the King and his supporters loose, they die. Eric Frazier Chapel Hill, NC USA

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Danuas RE:Who will win the civil war? 6/25/2004 8:59:14 PM

thank you very much for your comment. Im have a huge respect for countries with Kings and Queens. I hope somehow that it will still remain a Kingdom. Maybe a Prince from another royal familie can win the peoples favor.

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sanman RE:Who will win the civil war? 7/5/2004 11:20:45 AM

Good comments from Eric. But remember, corruption is a very nebulous target to go after. The way to defeat corruption is not to merely attribute it to certain personalities, which may be necessary but not sufficient for reducing corruption. Corruption is largely the product of the lack of competitive alternatives provided by a free market system. If you want to eliminate corruption, you have to give people choice through the free market system and through deregulation. That way people can exercise their choice against corruption, by choosing market alternatives. Socialism blocks that, and as long as Marxists continue to pander to socialist fantasies over market realities, then the situation will never improve. Someone who is deeply deluded by these fantasies may indeed resort to violence out of frustration, but that violence won't deliver what they seek. They will then seek to widen their violence even further, in a spiralling cycle of escalation. The raw violence of the communists isn't something that can feed anyone's stomach. They need to learn and adopt free market ideas, rather than radical Marxist totalitarianism and brutality. If they think they've nothing left to lose now, wait until they make things worse, and people will rue the loss of what little they had before.

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red frog RE:Who will win the civil war? 1/17/2005 3:11:04 AM

To Eric Frazier: The Khmer Rouge are NOT communist, but an extreme nationalist movement close to fascism. They have always been firmly denounced by the communist parties of the entire world. In 1979, socialist Vietnam even invaded Cambodia after an uprise of peasants in this country. Then, the already revisionnist P.R China (3 years after Mao's death)replied by invading Vietnam. In addition, it's worth noticing that the Khmer Rouge movement was backed and financially supported by the United States. Concerning the Chinese revolution and the Shining Path, you seem to be a bit too influenced by the capitalist propaganda. The Chinese Revolution was actually really successful before the arrival of Deng Xiaoping. Just have a look at the social figures, like illiteracy rate or infant mortality rate, which had significantly decreased in less than 30 years in China. Since 1979, for example, the infant mortality rate has stayed stable. The comparison between India and China is also very interesting. These 2 countries reached their independance approximately at the same time (1947 and 1949) and shared,at this moment, a dramatic level of poverty. Well, it's pretty obvious that China, which developped in an independant way, did better than India. One exception is the state of Kerala, in the south of the country, which has really good social stats, because it has been ruled by communists. Going back to Nepal, the only solution is a revolution to give back power to the people. Red frog

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DrCruel RE:Who will win the civil war? 2/1/2005 1:59:13 PM

Don't know where you've gotten your info. The majority of the people support the Nepalese government and despise the Maobadi, which has essentially taken to assassinations and terrorism to win influence amongst the people. I think if the Nepalese government doesn't panic and lose their nerve, they will be able to stave off the Maobadi. But as the Maoist insurgents are able to maintain a state of terror in the countryside, despite their lack of popular support, it might be years or even decades before we see an end to them.

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DrCruel The Maobadi and Khmer Rouge 2/1/2005 2:05:52 PM

The Khmer Rouge are NOT communist, but an extreme nationalist movement close to fascism. The Khmer Rouge WERE and ARE communist, indeed of a variety that took an especially nationalist view. In fact the Khmer Rouge are (since 1998) formally allied with the Vietnamese communists in Hanoi. As far as being "nationalist", one could make the same statement about Bolshevism and Maoism, both of which were and are communist movements. There is precious little difference between communism and fascism. Fascist governments, however, depend on having at least a rudimentary industry from which to form syndicates from. Nepal is far too poor and underdeveloped to have a viable "fascist" movement, which in any case is a type of reform over the more primitive and dysfunctional system known as "communism".

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red frog RE:The Maobadi and Khmer Rouge 2/12/2005 4:00:32 AM

I reaffirm that the Khmer Rouge are not communist. It?s true that, in China, the communists leant on nationalist feelings, but this kind of nationalism was linked to the colonial past of the country and, unlike the Khmer Rouge, never dealt with racism. I also reaffirm that the United States backed the Khmer Rouge (supply them with weapons, for instance) and that the communist movement always strongly condemned them. I have already read a thousand times that communism and fascism were the two sides of the same coin. I am just wondering why capitalist countries helped so many fascist dictatorships in the world and overthrew or tried to overthrow democratically elected regimes (Congo, Nicaragua, Chile, recently Venezuela etc.)

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DrCruel The Maobadi and Khmer Rouge, Fascism, etc. 4/8/2005 12:17:25 PM

You can reaffirm all you like. The Khmer Rouge and Vietnamese communists have been formally allied since 1998; the Vietnamese communists haven't been accuse of not being "communist", and they seem to think the Khmer Rouge is plenty communist... You don't seem to know much about the Chinese communists either. They are plenty racist, favouring the Han Chinese in particular. The Tibetians can talk your ear off on this one. Like most every communist movement, they are also extreme nepotists and an exceptionally corrupt group of people. Consider the PRC as being run by the same sort of warlords that used to run it when the Japanese invaded, only with a great deal more loyalty to each other and generally far better organised. The vast bulk of the population has virtually no say whatsoever in how things are run, which tend in the direction of whatever profits the Chinese communist mandarins the most. I am just wondering why capitalist countries helped so many fascist dictatorships in the world and overthrew or tried to overthrow democratically elected regimes Probably for the same reasons the liberal democracies negotiate and "befriend" communist nations - because they are afraid of both of these nefarious factions, and seek to play them off against each other rather than get involved directly. That's why Iraq was such a shock - a neofascist, socialist country allied closely with the Left was attacked directly, and quite contrary to the Left's wishes. They screamed bloody murder about it, but had absolutely no effect in stopping or even delaying the Coalition forces from unseating Saddam. And of course, like you're trying to do with the Khmer Rouge, one can find precious few Leftists nowadays who will admit to their prior friendship with the Iraqi Ba'athists - an alliance that would have been painfully obvious in 1991.... One point of contention would be in, of course, Venezuela. In that country, the populist fascists under Hugo Chavez are not at all friendly with the US, and vice versa. In this case the fascists seem to be allied pretty closely with King Fidel and the San Paulo group.

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marat RE:The Maobadi and Khmer Rouge, Fascism, etc. 4/28/2005 5:49:26 AM

Dr Cruel, you can label anyone communist if you forget that communism is an ideology. Just focus on the ideas and the actions of the people who call themselves communist and compare them to the basic principles of Marxism. For example, the Chinese Communist Party is not communist! Its pro-Han policy in Tibet or Xinjiang has nothing to deal with communism!!! France is much more communist than China! Unlike what you said, the Vietnamese communists have been considered as revisionists since, at least, the mid 80?s and therefore, their alliance with the Khmer Rouge is no surprise. You can also find that China backed the Khmer Rouge in the late 70?s because at that time China has ceased to be communist. Once again, you should be more concerned by ideology and avoid oversimplifying things. Unlike what you said, the capitalist states did not try much to ?befriend? truly communist nations (Tito?s Yugoslavia was not communist), unless they had common interests or problems, which did not happen often (China and the US could find a common understanding ground on USSR). On the contrary, the capitalist states almost systematically undermine revolutions or communist policies and often provide an unfailing support to fascism (as I mentioned in my precedent posts, the US had no problems to back the Khmer Rouge). You cannot find any equivalence from the communist world unless, as I?ve already said, you?re just interested in the label and not the political core of the so-called ?communist? regimes. But of course you can go on saying communism and fascism are the same, putting aside that half of the dead during WWII were Soviet and that the Soviet Union was the main player in the defeat of Nazism.

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musloko-maro RE:Who will win the civil war? 5/11/2005 1:34:33 PM

The only way to defeat the Chinese inspired-supported "Maoist revolution" and that "Prachanda" a.k.a. a neecha prani is to install a republican government, with elections and a written constitution after elections. We do not need this monarch, Gyaanendra, a loafer, lafanga and an absolute bastard. He is the root cause of all out problems. True, we will have instability and disorder, once we disbandan the monarchial dictatorship, but we need to replace it with an effective people's rule, not with the Chinese brand. Nepal's ethos and fate are always inextricably linked with India and democratic India, whether we want it or like it! Yes, the medicine and therapy are more worse than the disease, but better in the longer run

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timon_phocas RE:Democracy, Fascism and Communism 5/11/2005 2:43:51 PM

>> I have already read a thousand times that communism and fascism were the two sides of the same coin. I am just wondering why capitalist countries helped so many fascist dictatorships in the world and overthrew or tried to overthrow democratically elected regimes (Congo, Nicaragua, Chile, recently Venezuela etc.) << Democratic states allied with a communist state (the Soviet Union) to defeat a fascist state (Nazi Germany) that threatened them all. Democratic states allied with lesser fascist states to outlast a ocmmunist state (the Soviet Union) that threatened them all. Democratic states are now giving the old, heave-ho to the lesser fascist states This is no better and no worse than the Communist Soviet Union allying itself with Nazi Germany for the first 2 years of World War II

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musloko-maro RE:Democracy, Fascism and Communism 5/11/2005 10:31:05 PM

timon_phocas You have advanced excellent arguments. If you are from Nepal, you would know better, the stratified classication of the society, from immemorial(actually it is from 1760s) the solid edifice, exists in Nepal, which cannot be undone. The people are an ancient lot, patient and have always been obedient to authority and monarchy. But when China stabilized ittself, and with India's stupid Nehru giving the Chinese a great favor on a silver platter, China laid a coarse for revolutionary marxist insurgency, not only in Nepal, border areas of India, in many African nations as well, They were very much successful in S.E. Asia(Korea and Vietnam, Macao, etc,) Your agruments will not cut ice in the present context with the people of Nepal, who are in pursuit of quick change for the bettter, to solve their problems. Once communism sets, and people get disillusioned, then there will be scope for further democratic process. Will this safely and surely happen? Can't say! We are not sure of anything, definite in Nepal, with a bastard as a King, and a Prachanda a Chinese stooge! The King has to go, he is an usurper and a criminal!

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DrCruel Communism and Semantics 6/7/2005 4:53:15 PM

Communist regimes always "fail" to live up to their ideology. Since they always fail, and always fail (intentionally) in the same predictable ways, one must accept at somer point that this "failure" is nothing of the kind, but is in fact what intellectual adherents are in the business of communism for. This is why I use the term "Leftism", which has come to mean something entirely different to what was intended during the French Revolution. And this is why I consider Nazism virtually identical to all other revolutionary Leftist "communist" and "socilaist" movements I have ever heard of. The idea is to seize power and exploit the labour potential of the masses - modern Leftism likes to sell that labour potential to corporate interests. This is what Leftism has come to mean in the 21st century, whether you like it or not, whether you agree with it or not.

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avash RE:Maoist in Nepal are group of Robbers 6/10/2005 12:47:38 AM

Maoist were fuled by last 14 years ruling of corrupt politician. Now as the king has taken over, corruption is under control and the government more responsible and the Army is ready to defend the people. The maoist leader are based in India and funded and army supply from their. Now they are beeing pushed back to India and Nepal once again is peaceful

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