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Ben Nepalese nut cases 6/6/2002 7:29:07 AM

let's take a look, Hic. What are you talking about? You said; "China is very much silent on Nepal except the official rhetoric." So? China is very much silent on EVERYTHING other than official rhetoric. That's what you get with a government controlled Media. When it comes to Nepal, the WHOLE WORLD is Silent. "if Nepal becomes Sikkim, China will face more problems on Tibet." Nepal is not going to become Sikkim. China will not face more problems. China has a billion people, the most Nepal could ever be is an "annoyance", not a problem. "This is the Proof of CiA's involvement in bringing more and more Tibetan Refugees to Nepal." It is? In what kind of deranged lunatic mind? Powell's visit to Kathmandu is proof that Powell visited Kathmandu. Nothing more. You guys crack me up- there is a long, long road from fantastic claim to Proof. Is it the high altitude air in Nepal? Our CIA has other problems right now. Nepal is not on the list. Go knock on France's door.

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Hic Rhodus RE:Nepalese nut cases 6/8/2002 2:07:16 AM

Dear Ben I appreciate your analysis. However I do not believe that Nepal is a Nut case! Whatever happens in Nepal is going to directly impact in India with a Billion People, due to the Open Borders. And through India, the whole of south Asia will be feeling the impact. India in the first glance may look like a democracy, but Feudalism is deeply rooted in it. So Nepal can ignite India, in terms of revolt of poverty stricken masses. Nepal is very small, but it has the potential to become the Key for south Asian politics. That's why President Bush and Blair have shown interest to be involved in Nepal and have sent their military delegations to it, not to speak of the Indian Hegemonists. Between 2 great nations of Asia, and with full of water resources, the Tibet issue in north.... A favorite tourist destination... all these make Nepal something more than Nut Case!

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Ranger RE:The mysterious silence of China! 6/24/2002 9:40:00 AM

I guess your reality counts. 1) China has not been silent. It has condemned maoist terror. 2) US is only providing lip service to Tibetan cause there has been no US interest in Tibet since ealry 1980's and 3) for someone advocating the cause of a party which while inflicting terror in Nepal has its entore leadership picnicking in India with RAW money the question "whose reality counts?" is indeed an appropriate one.

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Dr_Cruel@hotmail.com RE:Nepalese nut cases 7/3/2002 6:53:26 PM

China and India are involved in a cold war against each other. Nepal straddles the border between these two countries, and thus is of strategic importance to this cold war. As for these "Maoist rebels", they are obviously Chinese proxies. Britain cut their ties to their Ghurkas for a good reason -like Hong Kong, defending this beleagered state likely would become a strategic nightmare. Thus, the Brits have taken to supporting the Indians. Quietly. Meanwhile the Nepalese pay the price, for the crimes of being too close to an expansionist and aggressive neo-fascist superstate, and of being too small to do much of anything about it. What we call in the business "Tibetian disease".

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Forester RE:Nepalese nut cases....to Dr curel 7/3/2002 10:18:58 PM

Hi Doctor: You must be a petty bourgeois philosopher. Your first arguement is incorrect, as Maoists are not Proxies for Chinese. Maoists are being killed in China itself these days. And China had not supported Maoists in nepal so far. May be they will change their mind after the overthrow of Monarchy. as far as Monarchy is there, they willnot support Maoist Revolt in Nepal. By supporting Maoists, china will cool down relationships, (MFN) status with it trading partners in the west. Your second point that Nepal is suffering due to Neo-fascist state to the south, is brilliant. The west has made a conspiracy by calling Feudal States like India, as democratic states! Even after 50 years of independence, India is far from a normal democracy! If Indians are exploiting their own peoples (60% of Indians live under poverty), how can Nepalese expect Generosity from Indians? But the Biggest contribution of Maoist Revolt in Nepal is that the Poor in India will one day learn something from the events in Nepal. Maoists in Nepal and India are being United through CCOMPOSA. thats why the ruling classes in India are deadly afraid of the Maoism gaining momentum in Nepal. Foester

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DrCruel To the esteemed Mr. Forester 3/16/2004 9:30:19 PM

You must be be a Maoist yourself. Your previous comments on these boards all seem to be shameless apologias for Maobadi atrocities in Nepal. ...Maoists are not Proxies for Chinese... Clearly incorrect. Although the PRC does not tolerate Maoism within China itself, it is more than happy to promote Maoist insurgencies elsewhere, such as in Cambodia and Peru. By supporting Maoists, china will cool down relationships, (MFN) status with it trading partners in the west. I disagree. The PRC governmetn even went so far as to make the Americans "apologise" for the PLA stealing one of their surveillance aircraft. The US governmetn is addicted to cheap labour in communist slave states - another reason why the Maoists are so keen to take control of Nepal, as they can then become rich exploiting the working people of Nepal for the sake of Western states (Maoist and Marxist slave states don't pay their workforce anything near what their labour is worth, pocketing the proceeds). Another reason is to set up Nepal as an center for illicit drug creation. Your second point that Nepal is suffering due to Neo-fascist state to the south, is brilliant. You have manufactured a comment out of thin air, and have attributed it to me as "brilliant". In fact Nepal is bordered by a democratic socialist state to the south (India) and a fascist state to the north (the PRC). Your lack of knowledge of even this simple reality proves even more that you are a foreign adventurer and not a native Nepali. But the Biggest contribution of Maoist Revolt in Nepal is that the Poor in India will one day learn something from the events in Nepal. Maoists in Nepal and India are being United through CCOMPOSA. From your own words, you prove that PRC imperial designs are not limited to Nepal alone, but to the entire Indian sub-continent. Most instructive. I am still unclear however, as to how you expect to hold such a fascist state together. Resistance from local people is likely to be severe, and as the Maobadi has only enjoyed success against helpless civilians and lightly armed policemen, how do you expect to barbarously enslave so many people over the long term? Or - will the PLA be "invited" in at some point?

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Nanheyangrouchuan RE:The mysterious silence of China! 3/23/2004 6:43:16 AM

Wow, I didn't know Nepal could be so interesting. Everyone is focusing on Taiwan, India and the South China Sea. To say China is not a Maoist state is surely incorrect. Mao thought is taught to everyone up to the second year at college (along with Deng Xiao Ping Theory and the Three Represents, which all found their way into the new constitution.). Nepal as a hideout for Tibetan refugess? Very intriguing, Nepal is probably also an impromptu base for the Tibetan resistance, which is backed by India. This makes behind the scenes support for the Maoists by China very important. The Chinese support probably comes not from Beijing but through local party officials and local PLA commanders. That way if China's support was exposed to the world, Beijing could blame local authorities acting out of the best interests of "regional stability" and save face. No doubt the PLA arms and trains the Maoists, how else could peasants and sheepherders be doing so well? The PLA is also into smuggling drugs and prostitution into and through Tibet, with Nepal being natural corridor for SE Asian hash and heroin (does poppy grown in Nepal?). As for whether India is a democracy or not, they are a long way ahead of China regardlessly. Having a true multiparty system and voting process as well as the peaceful transition of power from one elected leader to the next is something you won't see in China for decades. But having a thousands of years old social system is a heavy burden for any country to carry, the caste system will eventually work itself out.

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DrCruel RE:Nepalese nut cases 6/2/2004 4:41:16 PM

"This is the Proof of CiA's involvement in bringing more and more Tibetan Refugees to Nepal." In a manner of speaking. By keeping a soft line on the PRC, instead of making it clear just how despotic a tyranny this government is, teh CIA enables pro-China business interests in this country to help CHina industrialise without restrictions. This encourages them to step all over the human rights of the Tibetians they are ethnically cleansing from Tibet, which would tend over time to increase Tibetian refugees in Nepal.

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Nanheyangrouchuan RE:Nepalese nut cases 6/7/2004 10:45:41 AM

But that builds a stronger anti China camp in Nepal, which also may be more pro-Indian.

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DrCruel RE:Nepalese nut cases 6/8/2004 12:21:01 AM

ANd so it might appear, to the untrained masses. No doubt, part of a grander CIA plot in disguise, to be elaborated on only after the fact, and as it suits pro-PRC Leftists. One must admit, the CIA has an absolute genius for doing virtually nothing at all....

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Nanheyangrouchuan RE:Nepalese nut cases 6/10/2004 10:57:56 PM

The CIA is wonderful at doing nothing and reporting nothing, and collecting lots of taxdollars in the process. I hope all of their "nothing" adds up to something in this country.

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sanman China Involved in Violence 6/28/2004 10:01:14 AM

Of course China's involved in supporting the communist attrocities in Nepal. The Nepalese communists have suddenly taken a radical turn towards extreme violence, without any reason. The traditional leaders of the Nepalese communist movement have suddenly been marginalized. The Nepalese communists are suddenly quoting doctrines very similar to the Khmer Rouge of Cambodian Killing Fields fame, which were another group China used to support to offset Vietnam. This time around, China is looking to take over Nepal in order to direct it against India, which it feels nervous about, especially since the US has entered Afghanistan which also has a border with China. China does not like the idea of the American superpower having a presence on its Western border, so they are looking to beef up their security on their Western flank. Since they can't directly remove the American presence in Afghanistan, they have to shore things up elsewhere on their Western frontiers, and Nepal is a convenient weak spot for them to penetrate.

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Sujies Nepal the distant oasis 12/8/2006 3:36:24 PM

Lets look at the players who could influence Nepali politics,

US - Nepal should and does occupy a very small part of their radar,
here are the resons why:
1) Nepal does not have the demographics to influence a neighbouring nation like
pakistan, Taiwan, or the north-south koreas
2) Nepal is not considered a militarily strategic point like afghanistan or even
kashmir,

India - India it seems had more to gain by having the royal family at the helm,
than see the maoists roam all over the country, which has lessened its influence
in nepal

China - look at at the events that have transpired and you can find out its the
red hand which has gained more, even though nepal is not considered strategically
so important by china.

You could only deduce that china prefers handling rogue leaders with whom its very
comfortable(pakistan, myanmar, africa, NK) than handling the India-loyalist
royal family, hence the current changes.

Just another move made in the game to encircle India

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Nanheyangrouchuan 12/8/2006 6:30:06 PM

Nepal represents fresh farmland, clean water, women and resources for Bad China the Pirate to plunder.

arrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh

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DrCruel 1/10/2007 1:20:55 AM

I think the motive for the PRC is more to strengthen their strategic position in regards India. There may be exploitable resources in Nepal (their main mining export is gravel, although I think they also export a small amount of zinc), but overall Nepal has a very underdeveloped and poor agricultural economy. The advantage Maobadi control in Nepal would give the Chinese communists is as a plausibly deniable base area for keeping an eye on India. Simply keeping the country in turmoil will at least preclude the country being used by Western states or India as a base to keep an eye on the Chiense mainland. In any case, their strategy does seem eerily similar to that used in Cambodia before 1979.

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