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Subject: LCS Goes Into The Danger Zone
SYSOP    1/23/2013 5:51:20 AM
 
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VisigothCAS       1/23/2013 6:18:29 AM
In other words, this overpriced, underperforming gimmick could very easily fail miserably. Most likely they will also find that that small crew is too small to keep the ship properly functioning, something they have learned but ignored in other small crew ships. It will just be interesting to see how it plays out.
 
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American God    Predictable   1/23/2013 12:16:55 PM
This whole corrosion thing was predictable. The Independence is mostly aluminum with steel for the propellers, engines, etc. It's well known that this will cause corrosion in seawater from electrochemical effects. The fix is something called a cathodic protection system. Again, this is well understood. The original system, was, big surprise, deleted to save money, and replaced by a much less robust one, which did not do the job. The Navy is now paying to backfit the cathodic system into the Independence. It can be completely and totally fixed, but the Navy has a penchant in these difficult budgetary times for self-inflicted wounds like this.
 
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Naveng       1/23/2013 7:47:34 PM
So basically the ship can't really defend itself in any kind of moderately intense threat environment...it has a  light "anti-ship" missile with less than 10 miles range and a short range air defense system.  
 
 
Did anybody in the US Navy read Jane's  Fighting Ships to see what the opposition might be?  
 
 
 
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HR       10/9/2013 12:11:57 PM
I am one of those few internet readers of blogs, etc. who do believe this ship is going to work out just fine.
 
I think that in the last days of the Burke's operational history the helicopters where its main weapons in both defense and offense and that it also practiced asymmetrical warfare with out the benefit of having a mission bay or a large hatch with a rail crane.  Yes, the US of A does asymmetric warfare too and needs sea platforms for that, this one will be one of them. This ship will also be far superior for conducting searches and constabulary missions.
 
The antisubmarine and anti-mine modules are behind in development. This is not great news but I do think we have a little time to bring those along. They would be used primarily against North Korea, Iran, et al who are the countries most likely to use costal and midget submarines and mines for mischief. 
 
The 57mm main gun gets riled in blogs with out proper understanding of where this ship will be fighting. If a swarm of small fast boats attack one of these ships that 57mm gun with its high rate of fire and larger number of shells in the magazine will be better than a 76mm one that has a bigger shell, longer range but lower rate of fire and fewer shells in the magazine. As a matter of fact the biggest advantage of the 76mm would be against larger patrol boats and for shore bombardment and the helicopter can do either with more exactitude and less collateral damage.
 
The 30mm cannon is more useful if located in the stern which it is in the mono-hull version. That way it can be fired while fleeing and provide cover. I have not seen it in the tri-hull version.
 
I do think they need more missiles. They where thinking of using an army missile and that did not work out. Then they tried the current version of the Griffin but it does not have enough range so we are waiting for a modified one that does or an alternative missile but one of the nice things about the Griffin is that it is battle tested and can be deployed from both the ship and the helicopter simplifying the inventory ( same one missile instead of two different ones).   The RAM is much better defense than the Phalanx and my hope is that it can be modified for surface targets.
 
But I do think that these ships as conceived are going to do well.
 
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keffler       10/10/2013 1:33:35 PM
 The RAM is much better defense than the Phalanx and my hope is that it can be modified for surface targets.
 
A missile does not care what it hits.
 
Standard is used as an anti-ship missile. What makes RAM any different?
 
 
 
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WarNerd       10/11/2013 2:53:16 AM
Standard is used as an anti-ship missile. What makes RAM any different?
The Standard is command guidance. You just guide it to whatever target you want.
 
RAM is self-contained using passive IR or home-on-radar. Wrong type of guidance system it can’t even see a ship to target it, and the ship’s radar is uses a different frequency band.
 
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keffler       10/11/2013 12:42:54 PM
Modify the seeker.
 
STANDARD is SARH/ARH. The (signal chase) seeker was modified to hit ships in wave clutter.
 
The problem, is not that hard to solve. (Wireless TOW/SARH HELLFIRE, etc.)  Fore and aft time corrected telemetry guidance has been in use for decades. Hell, even the Iranians can do it. And if they can, then anybody halfway competent can. (Makes you wonder how the American Army fouled up N-LOS and MEADS, doesn't it?)     


Standard is used as an anti-ship missile. What makes RAM any different?


The Standard is command guidance. You just guide it to whatever target you want.

 

RAM is self-contained using passive IR or home-on-radar. Wrong type of guidance system it can’t even see a ship to target it, and the ship’s radar is uses a different frequency band.

 
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