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Subject: Canada media vs. US media
gcw1995    6/1/2005 8:22:18 AM
I know how biased Americas media can be. Why does Canadas media seems to always smear the US? I believe Canadians in general don't feel the same as they're media as the same for us Americans.
 
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Ehran    RE:Canada media vs. US media   6/1/2005 9:34:12 PM
i would hazard a guess that you are an american correct? assuming that is so i would also hazard that you don't see canadian media other than through what is reported about it on american news. what gets reported about canadian or for that matter foreign media of any sort tends to be the negative stuff because that provokes a reaction in the viewers which is good for the ratings. on a typical day here the national news runs to 30 minutes of which american activities run to about 5 minutes or so with iraq adding a couple more. you remember back when that flunky of the pm's made some unkind comments about americans with a live mike. the american reaction to that drew far more coverage than the actual act itself. her personal opinion got aired and mostly people here thought it was tacky or regrettable it happened. it certainly wasn't viewed as something to get excited about. the american press played it up and kept it going for better than a week when it could have been a simple blip and gone. at least the canadian press when it disagrees with you is fairly polite about it. american coverage can be downright venemous especially the guys on fox.
 
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gcw1995    RE:Canada media vs. US media   6/2/2005 10:19:17 AM
Assumption correct. First, the Canadian media is hardly polite to the US most of the time. It seems to be quite harsh. I think we don't disagree with Canada loudly enough. Terrorist seem to love Canadas easy enrty ticket in. Then inside the US. Second, weigh the amount of good news over the bad on the US. I do believe that both sides have plenty of propaganda. Just don't view yours as being the less of two evils here. Both have guilts. Either side is not polite at all. Third, negative stuff is in every country and all media. Some worse than others. Analyze the number of viewers in the US vs. Canada. The number of media outlets compared them to each other. Having a smaller media explains what I'm saying. Just anylize it. Please don't look at all americans as arrogant, and I'll do the same for Canadians.OK.Thanks.
 
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Ehran    RE:Canada media vs. US media   6/3/2005 1:13:06 PM
Terrorist seem to love Canadas easy enrty ticket in. Then inside the US. this being an example of that annoying right wing propoganda. for all the noise in the us media about canada being a portal for terrrorists to enter the us there has been a rather distinct lack of proof to substantiate this accusation. i can recall a single fellow entering the us from canada with a vague plan to blow up lax. not one of the 9-11 terrorists for example had any canadian connections. i am not at all sure how having fewer tv stations than the us is relevant here.
 
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bunglefoot    RE:Canada media vs. US media   6/3/2005 2:21:55 PM
Yeah that annoys me to no end. I have friends in the states and every once in a while one of them will bring up the "terrorists coming into the USA for 9-11 and otherwise from Canada" angle, at which point I have to point out to them that the person who first started that was an ignorant senator who did not check his facts and had an agenda, and that in fact zero terrorists from 9-11 came through Canada. There may have been others, or they might be coming through now, but our border is hardly more 'porous' than yours, they are both about as difficult to penetrate as a damp kleenex. /rant. Anyway, I think the reason that most americans perceive that the canadian press gives the US a bad time is as follows. 1. Bad news is good news for media outlets, period. 2. There is a current atmosphere of paranoia in the states, and for a US media outlet to say that Canadian press paints the US in a bad way increases that, and hence sales. 3. The things that are actually bad in my opinion that Canadian press says about the US deserves to be. There are currently a number of tarriffs and other things leveled at Canada that are outright illegal or questionably legal at best (Softwood lumber outright illegal, mad cow pot calling kettle black, devils lake unilateral action, being prominent examples.) where the US acts in their own perceived benefit without the slightest concern or even consultation with Canada. What may be a minor issue to the states can be an enormous issue up here, and generates an enormous amount of bad press on something that you might not necessarily think is significant. Remember we are 1/10th the size of you and so when we lose 3 billion due to some trade thing, it generates the same kind of negative publicity that the states losing 30 billion would.. anyway, thats my take.
 
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Pseudonym    RE:Canada media vs. US media   6/8/2005 4:12:43 PM
There is nothing wrong with security on the Canadian border, sure... Thats why a murderer came across without being stopped, with bloody murder weapons on his person. No problem at all.
 
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bunglefoot    RE:Canada media vs. US media   6/8/2005 11:35:21 PM
"There is nothing wrong with security on the Canadian border, sure... Thats why a murderer came across without being stopped, with bloody murder weapons on his person. No problem at all." You prove all my points nicely, thanks. It's not "The Canadian border" that is the problem. It's not Canadians that clear people to enter the U.S.A. It was the border with Canada that this occured at, but it was U.S. personnel and security practices that let him in. Read the news.yahoo.com article, the US representative basically said that 'because he was not actively wanted for anything and was a naturalized US citizen we let him in. You can't stop someone at the border just for acting weird'. I would agree with that to an extent, I would definately say they should have checked out if that was really blood on his chainsaw, etc...
 
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gcw1995    RE:Canada media vs. US media   6/9/2005 9:01:25 AM
If it were not the support of US, canada would be a tundra wasteland. You have hardly a leg to stand on when critisizing the US. Paul Martin has more scandal and problems than George Bush has and he is one of the worst US presidents in our history. Maybe the US needs to look at other possible nations that would welcome our trade.
 
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AlbanyRifles    With apologies to Canadians....   6/9/2005 10:49:52 AM
gcw1995 obviously came in to this board with a not so hidden agenda to flame Canadians. Don't know why, but as an American, I apologize on behalf of my fellow countrymen. Now, how have you guys gotten along without seeing Grapes every Saturday Night? GCW1995, Where in the US do you live that you are exposed to the Canadian media? And what makes you think that the Canadian media, a media of a sovereign country, has to have the same world view of the US? Oh, and as for the trade....it would hurt the US more to be cut off from Canadian trade than the Canadians.
 
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bunglefoot    RE:With apologies to Canadians....   6/9/2005 12:24:46 PM
"Oh, and as for the trade....it would hurt the US more to be cut off from Canadian trade than the Canadians." Debateable, but it would still suck massively to be us either way. At least until we geared up to ship our stuff to China, who is practically drooling to get their hands on it.
 
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Ehran    RE:With apologies to Canadians....   6/9/2005 1:53:18 PM
np albany. as for grapes it's a love hate thing but i do miss him. hockey will be back this year it seems and perhaps in a more entertaining form. plus it should have cut everyone's ego down to size having a year off. if he gets his wish hopefully he is in a part of the US blacked out when we shut off the hydro, oil and gas at the border. or maybe he is one of the folks who lose their jobs when the raw logs stop coming across the border to be run through american mills and so on. like it or not canada and the us are joined at the hip for the forseeable future economically. as for being treated badly that depends a lot on how he acted. i remember a tourist standing in line at the grocery store bitching endlessly and loudly about how he didn't like this and that about canada. finally the girl at the checkout rang up his total and he pulls out a wad of us dollars and asks again loudly "how much is that in real money". being quite irritated with him by now i leaned over and said "15 pounds 40 pence" to which i got a blank look. i really hate it when you have to explain the joke.
 
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