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Subject: News From the Front Line RE:Obama
DarthAmerica    3/10/2008 4:12:07 PM
He is viewed in a very positive way by most troops. I've started to see magazine cut outs in some of the barracks of him and there is a vibe that a lot of troops want to vote for him. Demographically, its hard to say how things break down racially. I know some older White Soldiers who won't vote for him period and others who would. Black and Latino soldiers seem to favor him. Women too.

This is a very weird election cycle compared to the last 3 I've been through while in uniform.

-DA
 
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DarthAmerica    Oh and new Hobby...   3/10/2008 4:25:41 PM
 
What I do when not dodging IEDs and CID...;)
 
A LOT LESS of the first one lately.
 
-DA
 
 
 
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farscape    Darth of Arabia?   3/10/2008 6:52:33 PM
You da man.     
Oh, yes----that's an interesting observation re. Obama. Can you elaborate on why the troops view him positively?
 
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RaptorZ       3/10/2008 7:08:34 PM
Man you got some mad hops to get up on that bad boy......cool pic bro
 
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VelocityVector       3/10/2008 7:19:47 PM

Dude, you are Teddy Roosevelt undergoing a Rough Ride!  If that doesn't belong on your fireplace mantel some day then nothing does.  Priceless, and thank you for sharing.  Take care of yourself and keep the yellow waterjug filled (with clear water not yellow water).  I will be in the ME and Africa this summer, drop me an email, perhaps we can enjoy a meal and beverages on my dime.

v^2
 
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MSickle    One miltary dads article   3/11/2008 12:52:37 AM
DarthAmerica,

I don't speak for you but your post made me think a bit.  This article I read tonight rang a bell to what you said.  Article excerpt below.  Again, I am not serving now and I am not speaking for you men and women who are, just posting an article I read.

It's written by the father of a serving Marine in Iraq.

Matt

"http://www.huffingtonpost.com/frank-schaeffer/im-promilitary-so-i-sup_b_90282.html"

Excerpt:

The Democratic ideologues are merely unrealistic idealists, the sorts of village idiots that picket Marine recruiters in Berkeley. The Republican ideologues are bellicose warmongers who tarnish America's reputation and get our people killed. They are the torture enthusiasts, the war-of-choice enthusiasts, the radio talk show jerks who send other people's children to wars their own kids don't volunteer for. The Republican fringe goads America into acting like a bully. They are believers in a form of American exceptionalism that -- spewed by bizarre apocalypse-obsessed religious right evangelicals and/or Dr. Strangelove neocons -- is a jingoistic, toxic, fear-driven myth of "they" against "us" that if unstopped, will result in wars without end. And above all the Republican fringe isn't a fringe at all: they've become the heart and soul of the ugly fear-mesmerized party in power.

Republicans may talk about patriotism and honor but in fact through their stubborn support for Bush's war they have become our military's worst enemies. They literally get our men and women killed. But many of us in the military family have had it with the Republican's bellicose nonsense -- Bush's "Bring it on!" and now McCain's version; "I'll chase bin Laden to the gates of hell!" Enough is enough.
 
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MSickle    One miltary dads article (another part)   3/11/2008 1:03:45 AM
I may have sadly picked the most volatile paragraphs in previous post...  In the interest of recommending this article, here is another part:  (it is a good article, food for thought)

Matt

We need a new beginning. McCain and/or Clinton are more of the same: leaders who contributed to a historic mistake that resulted in 4000 Americans needlessly killed and tens of thousands wounded, and a wave of anti-American hatred sweeping the world. McCain and Clinton won't apologize for their error. And a failure to tell the truth is no foundation on which to build a presidency.

Obama was right on Iraq from the start. Moreover because of his serendipitous ethnic, social and political background, Obama is uniquely positioned to reach out to the world and help restore America's image and thus make all our men and women in uniform somewhat safer. Thus a vote for Obama is the true pro-military vote. And it is also a vote for honor because honor rests on truth.
 
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buzzard       3/11/2008 9:29:26 AM

Thus a vote for Obama is the true pro-military vote. And it is
also a vote for honor because honor rests on truth.

Yes of course. Obama is always truthful. Just ask the Canadians.

The only question vis a vis Obama is how long before the unsavory aspects of his history in the Chicago political machine come to light. Chicago is about the dirtiest city in this country and this man's whole political history resides there. If you believe he came up clean from that, you're probably in the market for a bridge.

buzzard
 
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Herald12345    Never mind.   3/11/2008 9:48:32 AM



Thus a vote for Obama is the true pro-military vote. And it is

also a vote for honor because honor rests on truth.


Yes of course. Obama is always truthful. Just ask the Canadians.

The only question vis a vis Obama is how long before the unsavory aspects of his history in the Chicago political machine come to light. Chicago is about the dirtiest city in this country and this man's whole political history resides there. If you believe he came up clean from that, you're probably in the market for a bridge.

buzzard
Lemmings are lemmings. You can point out the consequences of gravity and they will still march off that cliff. At least I am one of those who now KNOW Obama for what he truly is: so that when it all goes to hell, I can with a clear conscience say I TOLD the lemmings so.

Herald
 
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DarthAmerica       3/11/2008 6:06:09 PM

You da man.     

Oh, yes----that's an interesting observation re. Obama. Can you elaborate on why the troops view him positively?

I think some of it has to do with all the hype surrounding him and also the strong desire for a change. No matter what Obama's politics are he is definitely a change as far as the nation is concerned and inspirational on a personal level. His candidacy is unprecedented to say the least.
-DA
 
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Herald12345    Uh: No its not.   3/12/2008 12:19:31 AM



You da man.     


Oh, yes----that's an interesting observation re. Obama. Can you elaborate on why the troops view him positively?



I think some of it has to do with all the hype surrounding him and also the strong desire for a change. No matter what Obama's politics are he is definitely a change as far as the nation is concerned and inspirational on a personal level. His candidacy is unprecedented to say the least.

-DA


There was another stuffed-shirt hollow-man machine-politician  do-nothing Hollyweird star-type incompetent that made it to the Presidency.

His name was John Fitzgerald Kennedy.

The man, who did all the donkey work and solid achievements for which that tyro gets credit, was the badly abused  LBJ, who never gets a fair shake from history..

Herald
 
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DarthAmerica       3/12/2008 2:01:51 AM


You da man.     

Oh, yes----that's an interesting observation re. Obama. Can you elaborate on why the troops view him positively?



I think some of it has to do with all the hype surrounding him and also the strong desire for a change. No matter what Obama's politics are he is definitely a change as far as the nation is concerned and inspirational on a personal level. His candidacy is unprecedented to say the least.

-DA

There was another stuffed-shirt hollow-man machine-politician  do-nothing Hollyweird star-type incompetent that made it to the Presidency.

His name was John Fitzgerald Kennedy.

The man, who did all the donkey work and solid achievements for which that tyro gets credit, was the badly abused  LBJ, who never gets a fair shake from history..

Herald
Herald,

I'm sure you have noticed that Obama happens to be Black with a muslim name. Now that by itself doesn't have anything to do with his qualifications or ability to do the job but it certainly is unprecedented for such an individual to have a serious chance at the white house. It certainly would be unprecedented as far as millions of minority US citizens are concerned who have always grown up knowing that something like this is practically impossible. It certainly would change the perceptions of some nations around the world who still view the United States as a bastion of racism and double standards. I know this through direct interaction with many foreigners, sometimes in their native tongue. It would also be a huge culture shock to some white Americans who may not be intentionally racist but because of American culture harbor unintentional prejudices.

Obama represents the most dramatic change in race relations for in the United States since the end of the civil war. Anyone who denies this is not being rational.


-DA 
 
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DarthAmerica       3/12/2008 2:02:00 AM


You da man.     

Oh, yes----that's an interesting observation re. Obama. Can you elaborate on why the troops view him positively?



I think some of it has to do with all the hype surrounding him and also the strong desire for a change. No matter what Obama's politics are he is definitely a change as far as the nation is concerned and inspirational on a personal level. His candidacy is unprecedented to say the least.

-DA

There was another stuffed-shirt hollow-man machine-politician  do-nothing Hollyweird star-type incompetent that made it to the Presidency.

His name was John Fitzgerald Kennedy.

The man, who did all the donkey work and solid achievements for which that tyro gets credit, was the badly abused  LBJ, who never gets a fair shake from history..

Herald
Herald,

I'm sure you have noticed that Obama happens to be Black with a muslim name. Now that by itself doesn't have anything to do with his qualifications or ability to do the job but it certainly is unprecedented for such an individual to have a serious chance at the white house. It certainly would be unprecedented as far as millions of minority US citizens are concerned who have always grown up knowing that something like this is practically impossible. It certainly would change the perceptions of some nations around the world who still view the United States as a bastion of racism and double standards. I know this through direct interaction with many foreigners, sometimes in their native tongue. It would also be a huge culture shock to some white Americans who may not be intentionally racist but because of American culture harbor unintentional prejudices.

Obama represents the most dramatic change in race relations for in the United States since the end of the civil war. Anyone who denies this is not being rational.


-DA 
 
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Herald12345    Irish Catholic   3/12/2008 6:10:01 AM
You may have noticed that the bootlegger's son was am Irish Catholic in an era when Irish Catholic was as looked down upon in bigoted America as Barack's cultural origin is in current America? I could care less about that crap. What concerns me is that I am building up an evidence train that this opportunistic, corrupt  Illinois machine politician is masking his double dealing, political treachery, his sellout to special interests;

Obama the sellout 1. 

Obama the sellout 2.

Obama the Sellout 3.

Obama the Sellout 4.

Obama the Sellout 5.

Obama the Sellout 6.

Follow the money.

He stinks to high heaven.

Herald
 
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DarthAmerica    HERALD REPLY   3/12/2008 4:14:39 PM
It's not the same for a lot of Americans believe me. I don't minimize any ones struggle BUT some have had it a lot rougher than others and still do. Race should not decide this election. But it will have a lot to do with it. That's not necessarily a bad thing depending on your point of view. Also, I can't think of a politician who wasn't somehow shady in one way or another. If I wanted to I could go word for word with you comparing Obama to the others and the end result is they would all have dirt. Only two of them will represent fundamental change to the nation regardless of their policy IMHO.


-DA
 
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Softwar       3/12/2008 4:24:28 PM

It's not the same for a lot of Americans believe me. I don't minimize any ones struggle BUT some have had it a lot rougher than others and still do. Race should not decide this election. But it will have a lot to do with it. That's not necessarily a bad thing depending on your point of view. Also, I can't think of a politician who wasn't somehow shady in one way or another. If I wanted to I could go word for word with you comparing Obama to the others and the end result is they would all have dirt. Only two of them will represent fundamental change to the nation regardless of their policy IMHO.


-DA


I think you are getting all worked up over nothing.  Hillary is the Dem candidate.  She has made it clear - its her turn.  It's MY PARTY and I'll cry if I want to!  She and her hubby will strong arm the super-delegates into voting for the machine.  Obama can rack up as many victories as he likes but it won't matter.  She knows where all the bodies are buried.

Despite what you wrote above - its pretty clear that race is part of your reasoning to vote for Obama - not the man.  To me race is not a factor - experience is.  I refuse to vote for someone who thinks that an RPG is World Of Warcraft or a Marine is some doorman that I can kick everytime I pass by.  Both Dems fall into this category.
 
 
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