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Subject: Are whites covered under hate crimes laws? In Michigan, only if they're the attackers
Zhang Fei    6/11/2008 11:53:16 AM
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Hunting Season for Whites

Between the night of May 31 and the wee hours of the morning of June 1, 2008, between 20 and 30 black teenagers formed a mob to terrorize the citizens of Mount Clemens, Michigan. These hoodlums robbed people of cell phones and wallets, threw a brick through the window of a moving car, and beat up their victims so badly that at least one of their targets was hospitalized with a fractured skull. In an article in the Macomb Daily entitled ?Mob, Carnival Attacks May Be Linked? (6/5/2008), the mother of one of the victims told police that ?her son was on the ground trying to fend off the attackers who were ?about ready to kick his head in? when deputies arrived.?

The horror of what transpired was articulated in another article in the Macomb Daily entitled ?Mob of Young Men Attacks? (6/2/2008). According to that article, ?[W]orkers at the gas station [where one of the beatings by the mob occurred] said the man was confronted near a pay telephone. When the gas station attendant saw what was happening, he locked the front door.? As the man pounded on the door to beg the gas station attendant to let him in so that he could get away from the thugs, the mob arrived. The article in the Macomb Daily goes on to say that ?An employee [of the gas station] said workers had to wash the man?s blood from the door Sunday.?

The victim who suffered worst was not the one who was attacked at the gas station. According to a press release posted on the website of the Macomb County Sheriff?s Office:

[W]hen a 29-year old man, and his wife, were driving on North River Road . . . more than two dozen men wearing ball caps and baggy shorts spread out across the street and blocked traffic. The victim tried to drive past them and someone threw a brick in his window. He stopped his car and got out to see what happened and was beaten unconscious and left with a fractured skull.

In an article in the Macomb Daily entitled ?Violence Shocks Community? (6/3/2008), the newspaper reports that ?In a 911 cellular phone call released to the media Monday, the beaten man?s frantic wife is heard screaming repeatedly as a dispatcher unsuccessfully tries to get information from her.?

Macomb County Sheriff Mark Hackel said in an interview with WJR radio host Frank Beckmann on June 6, 2008, that when the wife of the victim called 911, ?You could hear the sheer terror in her voice.?

The incidents were so bad that, according to one of the articles in the Macomb Daily:

[S]ome law enforcers . . . liken the violence by the group to ?wilding.? The term became known to law enforcement following the April 1989 New York City rape and beating ? involving as many as 50 teenagers ? that left a 28-year-old female jogger near death. Those involved in ?wilding? travel in packs, assaulting and terrorizing their victims randomly.

Though the police have arrested a very small fraction of the thugs who terrorized Mount Clemens, many remain on the loose. According to an article in the Detroit Free Press entitled ?Mob Beat Up Driver, Police Say,? one of the victims who suffered a black eye requested not to be identified by name in the article, because ?most of the mob is still at-large [and he?s] afraid they?ll attack again.?

In every single article about the mob incident in which 20 to 30 black teenagers terrorized Mount Clemens, the journalists of the Macomb Daily, Detroit Free Press, and Detroit News neglected to mention the race of the perpetrators of this horrific crime spree. In every single video and picture of the perpetrators that the Macomb County Sheriff?s Office released on their website, the thugs are unsurprisingly all black.

In the aforementioned interview with Sheriff Mark Hackel, Frank Beckmann asked:

Sheriff, all the kids in the video I saw are African-American. All of your victims are white. Is there evidence that this was somehow [attacks based on race]?
Hackel responded with ?It?s a question that we are asking. ... If it?s a hate crime and it happens to be a white person and the other people involved are African-Americans, we look at those things.?

When Beckmann inquired as to whether or not there is a ?law to charge them with some kind of hate crime,? Hackel answered, ?Well, that?s questionable. I don?t know if it applies to an unprotected class, and I don?t know if whites are part of that. I?m not sure.?

Beckmann was shocked to hear Hackel suggest that whites are not entitled to equal protection under the law. A taken aback Beckmann asked:

You mentioned ?unprotected class.? You mean white people are not protected by hate crime legislation?
Hackel answered that question by saying, ?It doesn?t appear as such at this point and time that there is something that would qualify.?

Even though a horde of black thugs beat to the point of unconsciousness one innocent white man who was reported to have a fractured skull, threw a brick at a car that was driven by an innocent white woman, and beat up an innocent white man at a gas station to the point where employees had to clean up the bloody mess the following day, it is unlikely that the thugs will be charged with committing hate crimes, because the criminals were black and the victims were white. Because of this simple fact, Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton did not seemingly arrive in Mount Clemens the very next day after the altercation to protest ?racism,? and there is no ?Million Man March? scheduled to protest the black-on-white crimes that occurred.

If a mob of whites were to do to innocent black victims what the black mob did to innocent white victims, the American people would not hear the end of it. What happened in Jena, Louisiana, would seem insignificant, and not because Jena was insignificant, but through comparison, people would view Jena as being child?s play compared to the modern-day lynch mob that terrorized the small town in southeastern Michigan.

It is important to note that though Hackel suggested that state and federal law does not protect white folk like it does for ?protected classes,? he still has vowed to hunt down and bring to justice the thugs who targeted innocent whites who did not provoke the crimes meted out to them. In interviews with the media, Hackel has described the attacks as ?savage,? and has said that ?Not even animals act like this.?

The Macomb County Sheriff Office is working diligently to hunt down the people who took part in the horde of black thugs. Within less than a week of the attacks by the mob, charges have already been filed against 16-year-old Jemall Davidson, 17-year-old Johnny Allor, and 18-year-old Steven Lincoln. The first two face life in prison on charges of assault with intent to murder and a 10-year felony charge of engaging in a riot, and the last one faces 10 years in prison for engaging in a riot and assault.
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swhitebull       6/11/2008 3:04:58 PM
This MIGHT be construed as racist by me -   boo-frggin-hoo - but if people are going to act like animals or savages from the jungle, they should be treated as such, and removed from society with extreme prejudice. And if my words offend anyone, I really dont care nor intend to apologize.
 
 
swhitebull - the sherrif needs a big time 2x4 applied to his head for starters. This is identity politics run amok. These a-holes might as well be Muslims from the banlieus de Paris, where they are always referred to in the press as "misguided youths."
 
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Zhang Fei    Meanwhile, in the city of brotherly love, five brothers kill a white guy   6/12/2008 8:24:52 PM
But this is clearly not a hate crime, since the perps were black and the victim was white.
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Five teenagers fatally beat a man on a subway platform after a friend dared them to hit someone, saying "next person we see we're going to hit," one of the defendants allegedly told police.

"We all didn't want to seem like no punk," Ameer Best, 17, told police in a written statement read at a preliminary hearing Wednesday for Best and four co-defendants.

Best and the other teens, Kinta Stanton, Arthur Alston, Rasheem Bell and Nashir Fisher, all 16, will be tried as adults on charges of third-degree murder and conspiracy for the March 26 beating, Municipal Court Judge James DeLeon ruled.

The friend accused of issuing the dare has not been arrested.

Sean Patrick Conroy, a 36-year-old coffee shop manager, received four or five hard blows, Assistant Medical Examiner Bennett Preston testified. The resulting stress led to a fatal asthma attack.

Preston found the asthma attack was triggered by blunt force trauma, and ruled the death a homicide.

"It was a tough day," said the victim's father, Steve Conroy, fighting tears. "It's tough to hear about him alone on that platform, knowing the way he died."

Conroy was found on his knees, gasping for air on the platform of a downtown subway station by a transit police officer who saw the attack from across the tracks.

Several of the teens told police that a sixth man — identified at the hearing only as "Tim" — challenged the boys as they walked around downtown with little to do after skipping school.

"Tim and Arthur was making statements to all of us, that we were scared to hit someone," police quoted Bell as saying.

"Then Arthur went up to the man and punched him," and the rest of the group followed, Bell said.

The boys told police they abandoned Conroy when a Southeastern Pennsylvania Transportation Authority police officer patrolling in a cart saw them. The officer was able to chase down and arrest Stanton; the rest were charged the next month.

"None wanted to do it," Best said. "Tim put the idea in our heads. He said 'I didn't come downtown for nothing. Next person we see we're going to hit."'

The statements each boy made to police minimized their individual role in the attack. Some admitted to hitting or kicking Conroy a few times, and others said they never got a punch in.

Alston, who allegedly told police he threw the first punch, said they never set out to kill anyone.

But the judge said they all put themselves at the scene when they gave statements to police.

"The game was to go out and catch a body," DeLeon said. The judge expressed concern that the sixth suspect was still out there.

"What happened to the guy named Tim?" DeLeon asked Assistant District Attorney Jacqueline Coelho. "How'd he get away? He is the one who started this whole thing."

The defendants' friends and relatives applauded the question. Police know the identity of "Tim," the alleged sixth participant, but do not yet have the evidence to arrest him, Coelho said after the hearing.

The five teens remain in custody, and have been ordered to house arrest if they make the approximately $35,000 bail.

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YelliChink       6/12/2008 10:32:14 PM
Looks more like gang activities to me. The victims could be white, native, African, Indian, Asian, Hispanic or even from Mars.
 
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Herald12345       6/12/2008 11:57:12 PM

Looks more like gang activities to me. The victims could be white, native, African, Indian, Asian, Hispanic or even from Mars.

Nail them under ROCO and the Federal civil rights statutes.

Racism is not necessary to justify the  needed legal proceedings,  That is what unconstitutional HATE crime legislation is  based upon.

Equal protection clause and all that.

Herald
 
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FJV       6/13/2008 5:35:50 AM
Such laws I always considered a bit weird. Why should someone be punished harder when they beat someone, because they are black when compared to someone who beats another, because he looked at them funny.

In my opinion the words "hate crime" should be replaced with "for no good reason crime". This way both examples would get harsher pinishment.




 
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CJH       6/13/2008 11:38:10 PM

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Hunting Season for Whites

Between the night of May 31 and the wee hours of the morning of June 1, 2008, between 20 and 30 black teenagers formed a mob to terrorize the citizens of Mount Clemens, Michigan. These hoodlums robbed people of cell phones and wallets, threw a brick through the window of a moving car, and beat up their victims so badly that at least one of their targets was hospitalized with a fractured skull. In an article in the Macomb Daily entitled ?Mob, Carnival Attacks May Be Linked? (6/5/2008), the mother of one of the victims told police that ?her son was on the ground trying to fend off the attackers who were ?about ready to kick his head in? when deputies arrived.?

The horror of what transpired was articulated in another article in the Macomb Daily entitled ?Mob of Young Men Attacks? (6/2/2008). According to that article, ?[W]orkers at the gas station [where one of the beatings by the mob occurred] said the man was confronted near a pay telephone. When the gas station attendant saw what was happening, he locked the front door.? As the man pounded on the door to beg the gas station attendant to let him in so that he could get away from the thugs, the mob arrived. The article in the Macomb Daily goes on to say that ?An employee [of the gas station] said workers had to wash the man?s blood from the door Sunday.?

The victim who suffered worst was not the one who was attacked at the gas station. According to a press release posted on the website of the Macomb County Sheriff?s Office:

[W]hen a 29-year old man, and his wife, were driving on North River Road . . . more than two dozen men wearing ball caps and baggy shorts spread out across the street and blocked traffic. The victim tried to drive past them and someone threw a brick in his window. He stopped his car and got out to see what happened and was beaten unconscious and left with a fractured skull.

In an article in the Macomb Daily entitled ?Violence Shocks Community? (6/3/2008), the newspaper reports that ?In a 911 cellular phone call released to the media Monday, the beaten man?s frantic wife is heard screaming repeatedly as a dispatcher unsuccessfully tries to get information from her.?

Macomb County Sheriff Mark Hackel said in an interview with WJR radio host Frank Beckmann on June 6, 2008, that when the wife of the victim called 911, ?You could hear the sheer terror in her voice.?

The incidents were so bad that, according to one of the articles in the Macomb Daily:

[S]ome law enforcers . . . liken the violence by the group to ?wilding.? The term became known to law enforcement following the April 1989 New York City rape and beating ? involving as many as 50 teenagers ? that left a 28-year-old female jogger near death. Those involved in ?wilding? travel in packs, assaulting and terrorizing their victims randomly.

Though the police have arrested a very small fraction of the thugs who terrorized Mount Clemens, many remain on the loose. According to an article in the Detroit Free Press entitled ?Mob Beat Up Driver, Police Say,? one of the victims who suffered a black eye requested not to be identified by name in the article, because ?most of the mob is still at-large [and he?s] afraid they?ll attack again.?

In every single article about the mob incident in which 20 to 30 black teenagers terrorized Mount Clemens, the journalists of the Macomb Daily, Detroit Free Press, and Detroit News neglected to mention the race of the perpetrators of this horrific crime spree. In every single video and picture of the perpetrators that the Macomb County Sheriff?s Office released on their website, the thugs are unsurprisingly all black.

In the aforementioned interview with Sheriff Mark Hackel, Frank Beckmann asked:

Sheriff, all the kids in the video I saw are African-American. All of your victims are white. Is there evidence that this was somehow [attacks based on race]?
Hackel responded with ?It?s a question that we are asking. ... If it?s a hate crime and it happens to be a white person and the other people involved are African-Americans, we look at those things.?

When Beckmann inquired as to whether or not there is a ?law to charge them with some kind of hate crime,? Hackel answered, ?Well, that?s questionable. I don?t know if it applies to an unprotected class, and I don?t know if whites are part of that. I?m not sure.?

Beckmann was shocked to hear Hackel suggest that whites are not entitled to equal protection under the law. A taken aback Beckmann asked:

You mentioned ?unprotected class.? You mean white people are not protected by hate crime legislation?
Hackel answered that question by saying, ?It doesn?t appear as such at this point and time that there is something that would qualify.?

Even though a horde of black thugs beat to the point of unconsciousness one innocent white man who was reported to have a fractured skull, threw a brick at a car that was driven by an innocent white woman, and beat up an innocent white man at a gas station to the point where employees had to clean up the bloody mess the following day, it is unlikely that the thugs will be charged with committing hate crimes, because the criminals were black and the victims were white. Because of this simple fact, Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton did not seemingly arrive in Mount Clemens the very next day after the altercation to protest ?racism,? and there is no ?Million Man March? scheduled to protest the black-on-white crimes that occurred.

If a mob of whites were to do to innocent black victims what the black mob did to innocent white victims, the American people would not hear the end of it. What happened in Jena, Louisiana, would seem insignificant, and not because Jena was insignificant, but through comparison, people would view Jena as being child?s play compared to the modern-day lynch mob that terrorized the small town in southeastern Michigan.

It is important to note that though Hackel suggested that state and federal law does not protect white folk like it does for ?protected classes,? he still has vowed to hunt down and bring to justice the thugs who targeted innocent whites who did not provoke the crimes meted out to them. In interviews with the media, Hackel has described the attacks as ?savage,? and has said that ?Not even animals act like this.?

The Macomb County Sheriff Office is working diligently to hunt down the people who took part in the horde of black thugs. Within less than a week of the attacks by the mob, charges have already been filed against 16-year-old Jemall Davidson, 17-year-old Johnny Allor, and 18-year-old Steven Lincoln. The first two face life in prison on charges of assault with intent to murder and a 10-year felony charge of engaging in a riot, and the last one faces 10 years in prison for engaging in a riot and assault.
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While Dr. Walter Williams was a guest host on the Rush Limbaugh show once, I heard him say something to the effect that there has been a whole lot of racial kindling piled up against the wall of the national house over the years.
These Blacks are badly taught - lied to - by their elders and others. Society enables this by humoring the problem people, the people spreading hate, instead of chastising them. That is why Blacks can seem to get away with a lot. They are the ones who lose in the end though.
 
Our leaders are moral cowards when it comes to doing the right thing here. It's a co-dependency.
 

 
 
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Jimme       6/14/2008 6:31:42 PM
In NY a black homeless man was charged with a hate crime for killing a white women because she was white. It happened at a mall upstate.
 
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