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appleciderus    6/22/2008 10:02:11 AM
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WIKIPEDIA and other online research sources were yesterday blamed for Scotland's falling exam pass rates. The Scottish Parent Teacher Council (SPTC) said pupils are turning to websites and internet resources that contain inaccurate or deliberately misleading information before passing it off as their own work.

The group singled out online encyclopedia Wikipedia, which allows entries to be logged or updated by anyone and is not verified by researchers, as the main source of information.

It's dangerous when the internet is littered with opinion and inaccurate information which could be taken as fact.

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Herald12345    Amen!   6/22/2008 11:07:45 AM
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norden       6/22/2008 3:45:23 PM
revisionist history, selective time-lines, and non-contextual quotes can justify almost anything. Like in 1099 when Urban decided to defend the pilgrim road is looked at as an offensive war, and the Ummah still cites this as an atrocity even though the first century of Islams existence is written in blood.
 
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Bob       6/22/2008 8:39:26 PM
The format is fine. The content sometimes needs to be tweaked.
 
I'm not gonna lie, I enjoy searching for stuff on Wikipedia. I look up something relatively simple - something that should take about 30 seconds to read about. Then I click about three hyperlinks and wind up reading about Ayers Rock, Dark Matter, MLB statistics, the Falklands War, random strange and interesting stuff... It's like six degrees of separation but with everything ever.

 
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appleciderus    You could do that...   6/22/2008 9:17:58 PM
...using google!
 
If you did, folks like Nanny wouldn't be able to offer Wikipedia information as documentation!

 
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Bob    Credit Where It's Due...   6/22/2008 11:45:38 PM
Hahaha. To me, the *format* is what is the best part about it. The information is basic - still lacking in areas, yes. People need to think of it like expanded Cliffs Notes outlines or something - sort of like gateways into or elementary primers on a subject.
 
Put it this way... I could google quantum mechanics. I could also wikipedia quantum mechanics, and then click on about 25 other entries that I wind up exploring further. On the actual main entry, where every word that isn't a common word - every proper noun, technical term, etc - is another hyperlink? I wind up clicking on them all, with 50 tabs open in Firefox, reading every single other page. Force of habit.
 
It's an encyclopedia. An open source Microsoft Encarta. Of course there's no way should people cite it. And I could care less how college kids want to waste their money or get kicked out for plagurism. But for me, it takes me 10 seconds to remember / learn a technical term or something.
 
Plus, it's sort of a work in progress... I could literally spend a month picking out all their political slants and "disputing the neutrality" of some of the crap I read on there, absolutely. On that, they are an absolute mess.
 
Hopefully it'll get sorted out. The site could be something pretty big.
 

 
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WarNerd       6/23/2008 4:56:05 AM
Wikipedia is OK for hard science, but be VERY CAREFUL of anything in it with a political dimension.  Some of the editors have sys-op type privileges and can lock articles so that they cannot be changed, or set up subroutines to remove your edits faster than you can submit them.  At least several of them have political agendas.
 
The article that bothers me the most is the one on the California energy crisis.  Originally it had a detailed timeline and accurate step by step analysis.  The current version just blames Enron.
 
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PlatypusMaximus       6/23/2008 2:15:22 PM
Ya just can't beat that old Britannica smell.
 
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PowerPointRanger    Trust but verify   6/23/2008 8:02:32 PM
I don't have a problem with Wiki, but I do remember that it can be manipulated.  It doesn't hurt to verify the sources, which may at times be dubious--especially with controversial or partisan subjects.
 
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theBird       6/24/2008 5:08:02 PM

I've found they do a reasonably good job policing thier stuff.  I've vandalized thier pages dozens of time (including making Hillary Clinton drop out of the primary in early may and bringing the dinosaurs back from extinction) and each time it was a matter of minutes until the pages were restored!

 
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appleciderus       6/24/2008 10:40:28 PM
Perhaps I?m old fashioned, but I don?t understand that mindset. Being able to vandalize an information site for personal gratification seems to prove the point I was making. Sure they could pick up glaring inaccuracies quickly but what about the not so obvious errors students would take as gospel, as the news article was referring to? Leading to failing grades BTW.

I think it?s the type of intellectual dishonesty that led the Smithsonian to offer an Enola Gay exhibit as genocide.

I think utilizing Wikipedia for even the simple fast info enables them to offer what some agree can be inaccurate and even false information.

I hope they go broke.


 
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