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Subject: F-18s vs Su-30s
dudley    11/16/2004 6:16:38 PM
How would the USN carrier F-18s do against the chicoms Su 29s-30s?If there was a Taiwan conflict and it was kept localized those would be the only air assets we could muster.As in fighters.Unless S.Korea and Japan let us use their bases.Just curious as to how we would bring our air assests to the theatre.
 
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DropBear    RE:F-18s vs Su-30s   11/17/2004 2:46:47 AM
I think the Heritage F-18 would get slaughtered, systems wise. The USN pilots are top notch, compared with majority of Chinese drivers. SU-27/30 are large powerful aircraft. Not to mention the training focus of Navy Hornets towards bomb trucking missions, as opposed to air defence. Not saying they aren't good at the latter though. The Super Hornet will handle the early SU-27 Flanker derivatives much better. Fortunately, these aren't the US Navy's only options, and they wouldn't go it alone, without USAF support.
 
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Galderio    RE:F-18s vs Su-30s   11/22/2004 8:40:19 AM
Super Hornet+Amraam is better at longer ranges than everything the chinese Have. I say that because Russian missiles and ECM systens are not very reliable, although they should not be understimated.
 
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gixxxerking    RE:F-18s vs Su-30s   12/14/2004 4:19:06 AM
In terms of sheer performance, the flanker outclasses the Hornet. It has superior range, loiter, speed and manuverability. But this is not an aerobatics contest. The disadvantages that the Chinese pilots would have to over come are significant. The U.S. Navy pilots would have much better situational awareness. Better training and better BVR missiles. Also, the Chinese fighter would be operating from fixed bases. Tomahawks would pose more of a threat than F-18s
 
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jjfs2    RE:F-18s vs Su-30s   1/4/2005 3:59:20 PM
Taiwan is approximately 300 miles East of mainland China, therefore US carriers would reasonably be stationed 300-400 miles East of Taiwan, where they would be able to engage Chinese Flankers and other aircraft, and interdict land and sea assets. The bulk of our tactical land based aircraft would likely be based out of Guam, assuming that the Japanese refused to basing rights.
 
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bsl    RE:F-18s vs Su-30s- Taiwan scenario   1/4/2005 9:13:09 PM
"Taiwan is approximately 300 miles East of mainland China, therefore US carriers would reasonably be stationed 300-400 miles East of Taiwan" Might as well add that we'd expect backup from land based air on Taiwan in such an engagment. And, since this is pretty staggeringly obvious, China seems to be investigating both the possibility of knocking the Taiwan air force out in a first strike, and developing enough submarine capabilities to attack those American carriers east of Taiwan.
 
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Ozamist    RE:F-18s vs Su-30s- Taiwan scenario   5/24/2005 4:06:19 PM
providing this happens when the F22 is in service which it will be by the time they Try key word try to invade taiwain this is like the same thing in iraq they the chinese will send the low key pilots first the young boys who dont know how to shoot ther ass outta a brown paper bag then the mabe 400 ? real pilots that actually fight usa forces might prove to be a challenge but china lacks alot of things that the us does not the Su 30 is a very good aircraft but given in the hands of brutes who dont know nothing about it its nothing that was like usa in veitnam we got our asses kicked all in all the super hornets and the raptors will destroy the air but air wars are not all its the ground we must worry bout
 
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EW3    RE:F-18s vs Su-30s- Taiwan scenario   5/24/2005 5:04:25 PM
The 2nd opperation squadron of F-22s is going to Elmendorf in AK. That is part of PACAF, and frequently they train in Guam and Kadena in Okinowa. Also the first planes the ChiComs will face are probably going to be the F-15Cs at Kadena AFB.
 
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Kozmik Imperial    RE:F-18s vs Su-30s- Taiwan scenario   5/26/2005 12:53:16 PM
i dunno how the f-22 creeped into this thread but no, gixx, as you'd rarely hear me say.. is right, but at the same time it depends on which version of the f-18 we're talking about. by numbers alone the f-18 would be outnumbered in the outset of any taiwan conflict, even australia has expressed doubts in the f-18's ability to perform well against the s-27 and later versions of the flanker family. the su 30 has a larger radar and coupled with the aa-12 is equivalent to the aim-120 but as i've read on this forum and else where, max missile range varies. but the su 30 has a better chance to fire off 2 and book as the f-18 is a much slower air craft
 
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EW3    RE:F-18s vs Su-30s- Taiwan scenario   5/26/2005 6:53:37 PM
In the Taiwan scenario, after this December you can expect F-22s to be involved.
 
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Kozmik Imperial    RE:F-18s vs Su-30s- Taiwan scenario   5/26/2005 7:38:32 PM
what makes you so certain the U.S will send those assets to the taiwan straits? and lets stick to the subject, f-18 and su 30. we already know the f-22 is a superior product, for now
 
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