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Subject: Joint US and French Naval Operations
DarthAmerica    1/8/2008 5:24:46 AM
Could anyone imagine a scenario where US and French interest were both sufficiently threatened that the USA would allow squadrons of Rafales and E-2s to deploy on a USN CVN to conduct combat operations supported by the USN? -DA
 
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paul1970       1/8/2008 5:38:12 AM

Could anyone imagine a scenario where US and French interest were both sufficiently threatened that the USA would allow squadrons of Rafales and E-2s to deploy on a USN CVN to conduct combat operations supported by the USN?

-DA


civil war/genocide type in former african colony that requires to be French "flagged" operation due to political situation?
 
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usajoe    NEVER   1/8/2008 8:21:03 AM
Could anyone imagine a scenario where US and French interest were both sufficiently threatened that the USA would allow squadrons of Rafales and E-2s to deploy on a USN CVN to conduct combat operations supported by the USN?
 
No why would we allow French Air Craft to operate from US carries.
First of all if bolth our interest were threatend we will just use our own air craft
from our carries, why would we let French Rafales operate from our
carriers? Second if there harbor Quenn I mean CDG is not ready for action
then they might just have to seat it out and suport us with a little money and
may be if we had a air base not to far off than maybe some Awacs and  a
Mirage or two just for good looks We will end up
doing 95% of the work and bolth of us will get the credit hmm! I think I seen that
before? oh yah  Kosvo!
 
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Herald12345    Two serious cases.   1/8/2008 9:14:26 AM
Syria spanking  in a joint show the flag smash them up exercise in the Bekaa valley.

Or something goes badly wrong in Djibouti and the French need a flattop, while the CdG is laid up.

Herald

 
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Yimmy       1/8/2008 3:54:29 PM
I think more likely, is the RN asking for Rafales to fly off our carriers.... or more likely still given the outfit f our carriers, the RN asking for US marine F35B to operate off our carriers.
 
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Bluewings12       1/8/2008 5:59:17 PM
Just one bit of quote (from Herald) :
""Syria spanking""

That is the only scenario where France would need a US Carrier for our Rafales if CdG is still in dock .
Nevertheless , I cannot see us asking for . We are just too proud and independant ...

Cheers .


 
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keensetofpeepers       1/8/2008 7:45:25 PM
us and france have joint interests in horn of africa region....currently some small marine and SOC units are based in a Fr base in Djibouti.....i think US and Fr are stronger allies than the public and press give them credit for.....that said, from where i stand, Fr naval air would only operate from US carriers if 2 conditions were satisfied, 1) French forces have no nearby land base (thus forcing them to use US decks) , and 2) the French NEED to participate in an operation with US naval air rather than let US do the heavy lifting (the classic free rider problem). i can't think of any such scenario off the top of my head that would force Fr naval air to operate from US decks. if France needs to deal with a situation that the US is not all that interested in becoming involved in, asking the US if they could borrow their decks is going to be pretty low on the list (it's pretty embarrassing i imagine to Fr navy to ask)
 
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Herald12345       1/8/2008 7:53:13 PM

Just one bit of quote (from Herald) :

""Syria spanking""



That is the only scenario where France would need a US Carrier for our Rafales if CdG is still in dock .

Nevertheless , I cannot see us asking for . We are just too proud and independant ...



Cheers .




You really need to wake up and smell the rumblings in East Africa. Cref, above previous. Somalia and Eritrea have a lot of spillover.

Herald

 
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DarthAmerica       1/9/2008 1:53:24 AM

Could anyone imagine a scenario where US and French interest were both sufficiently threatened that the USA would allow squadrons of Rafales and E-2s to deploy on a USN CVN to conduct combat operations supported by the USN?

 

No why would we allow French Air Craft to operate from US carries.

First of all if bolth our interest were threatend we will just use our own air craft

from our carries, why would we let French Rafales operate from our

carriers? Second if there harbor Quenn I mean CDG is not ready for action

then they might just have to seat it out and suport us with a little money and

may be if we had a air base not to far off than maybe some Awacs and  a

Mirage or two just for good looks We will end up

doing 95% of the work and bolth of us will get the credit hmm! I think I seen that

before? oh yah  Kosvo!



usajoe,
You would be surprised to find out what we do with our allies. Do you know I've had a T-72 and BTR(both from different countries) covering my movement during missions? Do you know that I have been a beneficiary of the Austrailians during military operations?
 
There are times when it could be politically useful to have French aircraft perform operations. Don't think the French Rafales cycled on the USS Enterprise just for the hell of it. A lot of things were being considered.
 
-DA
 
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usajoe       1/9/2008 9:08:57 AM
there are times when it could be politically useful to have French aircraft perform operations
 
Do you really think this would hapen. First if it was bolth of us in a joint operation we will just
use our fighters from our carriers. the only reason I see us letting them use our carriers is just
for show, because our air craft can do the same job if not better than the French. Now if it was
just a french operation i dont think they will ask us to use our carriers it's a pride thing.
Yah i can see the headlines now, the French with their CVN CDG out of action ask the US
for permission to use their carriers for their air craft. Yah like that will ever hapen
 
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Phaid       1/9/2008 2:35:06 PM
No why would we allow French Air Craft to operate from US carries.  First of all if bolth our interest were threatend we will just use our own air craft from our carries, why would we let French Rafales operate from our carriers?

You do realize that we're going to be letting a French Rafale squadron operate from USS Roosevelt (CVN 71) in July during JTFEX 08-02?  It's even been officially announced.  According to another French site, the MN may send Rafales to operate with the USS Eisenhower while she deploys to 5th Fleet, which will take place before this summer.

So there is certainly no obstacle to MN Rafales operating from US carriers in a peacetime training role, and every possibility that they could fly combat missions from a US carrier.  That's kind of the point of joint training.

The idea that we might operate together certainly doesn't defy the imagination.  Look at Afghanistan -- in 2001 and on and off since then, the French have sent their carrier and participated in air strikes in support of NATO troops.  Since their carrier is currently in refit, it's not beyond the realm of reason that some crisis could arise where an additional squadron of strike fighters would be useful and they are asked to participate.  There's certainly room for them -- our current air wings don't come anywhere close to the maximum capacity our carriers can handle.
 
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