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Subject: Russian Mig 29 Vs F-14
1965    10/9/2002 7:41:59 AM
The NATO allies had a rude awakening after the crash of a Mig 29 at the Paris air show many years ago. The French recovered the Migs IRST set up almost intact, along with several other electronic and computer related items. This was the first indication the west had concerning how far ahead the then Soviets were in aircraft IR tracking and shoot up/down ability. Many years later, the Russians still are. The west does not built the equivalent of the Mig 29. Make no mistake. When it comes to best all around dog fighting aircraft. The Russians have it. We don't. A supersonic, ground skiming Mig 29 using its IRST system, will still get the first shot off everytime. NATO and U.S. pilots have been rotating through German Mig 29 units on evaluation and comparison flights for the last five years. National pride aside, most agree, the Mig 29 is the best dog fighter. Also this is flying a model of the Mig 29 that has since been upgraded several times, with enhanced avionics and a more powerful engine. I won't even mention the Su-27 or it's successor. Don't discount the Russians or what they build, that's dangerous.
 
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Kodiak    RE:Russian Mig 29 Vs F-14   6/27/2003 2:04:32 PM
You only have one thing working against your argument: Real world combat performance of western (mostly american made) planes Vs. The Mig-29. American made planes have dominated both mig and SU lines in real world combat for dcades, bottom line.
 
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Thomas    RE:Russian Mig 29 Vs F-14   6/30/2003 3:10:48 AM
A low-level MiG-29: 1. There are methods against that. 2. Not for long, the MiG-29 is as far as i know a bit short on fuel.
 
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P-3CrewSTA_6    RE:Russian Mig 29 Vs F-14   7/17/2003 2:07:14 PM
Your forgetting about 2 key items the F-14D has that the MIG-29 does not. Scenario goes as this: E-2C Hawkeye/AEGIS spots MIG-29 many many miles away, way before IRST is a factor. IRST finally aquires target: AIM-120C AMRAAM Thats if the SM-2 doesn't allready have him.
 
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Hellfire    RE:Russian Mig 29 Vs F-14   7/27/2003 4:09:05 PM
I think the US forces rely a lot on the AMRAAM, and force multipliers like AWACS. Without these, they would probably have accelerated the HMCS/AIM9X programs to make sure they have the edge in close air combat. Now that the russians also have AMRAAM-like missiles, the HMCS and AIM-9X are put into service. The maximum manoeuvreability is soncondary compared to the capabilities of the AMRAAM and the AIM9X.
 
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jacques    RE:Russian Mig 29 Vs F-14   9/20/2003 4:09:23 AM
Mig 29 is a very well built aircraft but it doesn't have internal ECM and its Radar and Electronics equiptments are very primitive. It has a very short range too. You can upgrade its radar and avionics even have the best HOTAS and wide angle HUD but it still won't have the range or internal ECM. The most you can use it for when fighting against a modern/competent western air force is denying your opponent air superiority locally. Other than that it has very limited value.
 
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Dancing Johnny    RE:Russian Mig 29 Vs F-14   9/27/2003 5:32:41 PM
To emphasise Kodiaks point. How many aircraft has the Mig 29 shot down compared to all the Mig 29's scattered across the Iraqi desert??? My view is that the IRST only comes into play if the Mig's radar is jammed or its trying to find stealth aircraft. Outside of that, I would wait and see what some US or UK Airforce types who have been allowed to fly the Mig 29 think of the IRST system.
 
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alex23       10/21/2009 10:21:28 PM

Migs and Sus have never encountered with any wetern aircraft in so-called real world fight! You probably refer to the Iraq?s events but then again none of them, be it a mig or su, has ever been in a dog fight with the Fs. Some were destroyed on the ground well before they even had a chance to take off. Some would have been destroyed had they had a chance to take off with arab pilots no doubt about it! Reason? The pilots/ Otherwise, the machine was built in the 70s and when it was bouilt it was a lot superior to any of the American aircraft  of the time which is as obvious now as it is proved by the Germans: there are lot of sources available on the net. However, the point is NO fight has ever been experienced? It is 2009, I realize it. just browsing and killing time. That would explain my late response, I hope.

 
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Slim Pickinz       10/22/2009 6:50:20 PM

Migs and Sus have never encountered with any wetern aircraft in so-called real world fight! You probably refer to the Iraq?s events but then again none of them, be it a mig or su, has ever been in a dog fight with the Fs. Some were destroyed on the ground well before they even had a chance to take off. Some would have been destroyed had they had a chance to take off with arab pilots no doubt about it! Reason? The pilots/ Otherwise, the machine was built in the 70s and when it was bouilt it was a lot superior to any of the American aircraft  of the time which is as obvious now as it is proved by the Germans: there are lot of sources available on the net. However, the point is NO fight has ever been experienced? It is 2009, I realize it. just browsing and killing time. That would explain my late response, I hope.


The USAF shot down 38 MiGs during the Gulf War, in addition to those destroyed on the ground.
 
Maybe you should read up about what the Israelis have been doing for the last 50 years...
 
 

 
Also to a limited extent the Pakistanis and Indians had their aerial bouts too.
 
 
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albywan       10/22/2009 11:26:44 PM
didn't a Iranian F14 have some success against Iragi MiGs in their conflict, although i don't recall what flavour of MiG these were...
 
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Ispose    Sigh   10/23/2009 11:41:36 AM
The Mig29 is a Knife Fighter....American Fighters are Long range snipers....You are awfully stupid to bring a knife to a gunfight.
 
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