Military History | How To Make War | Wars Around the World Rules of Use How to Behave on an Internet Forum
Naval Air Discussion Board
   Return to Topic Page
Subject: Carriers Become An Unaffordable Liability
SYSOP    5/5/2015 6:06:04 AM
 
Quote    Reply

Show Only Poster Name and Title     Newest to Oldest
Pages: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45   NEXT
keffler25       5/5/2015 9:09:18 AM
Must be A BROWN SHOE who wrote this garbage. 
 
Quote    Reply

Yimmy       5/5/2015 9:23:43 AM
I always liked the idea of massive pykrete and concrete islands, shunted by barges.  But I suppose global warming may kill that idea.
 
Quote    Reply

keffler25       5/5/2015 9:32:17 AM
 
Quote    Reply

Spiky       5/5/2015 9:35:18 AM
Obviously a "Brown Shoe." Say, what entity is projecting power off the coast of Yemen right now for the U.S.? A)Air-Force, B)Army, C)Navy, D)Greenpeace, or E)all of the above. Hint: they are mentioned in this article.
 
Quote    Reply

Spiky       5/5/2015 9:40:48 AM
Obviously a "Brown Shoe." Say, what entity is projecting power off the coast of Yemen right now for the U.S.? A)Air-Force, B)Army, C)Navy, D)Greenpeace, or E)all of the above. Hint: they are mentioned in this article.
 
Quote    Reply

keffler25       5/5/2015 10:01:12 AM
You say Fedora, I say HAT. The naval aviator who may have wrote this garbage is biting the hand that sustains HIM. 
 
 
 
Quote    Reply

JFKY    Do the authors of these articles   5/5/2015 10:05:58 AM
read any Freidman or any history?
One, to sound like Keffler, volume grows at the CUBE, area at the SQUARE....
 
A 40,000 ton vessel versus a 100,000 ton vessel...the 100K vessel has 6.25 times the AREA, but 15 TIMES the VOLUME! Hence the 100K vessel stays at sea longer, sustains it's aircraft longer, & is far more survivable.  This has been the trend since the failed USS Ranger of the 1930's....the USS Forrestal displaced 50K because that was the displacement needed for the mission....
 
Did the author even remember Carter proposing fewer or smaller CVA's in the 1970's until the Iranian Crisis forced the longest peacetime deployment of the USS Nimitz?  Or did the author forget the Kosovo air campaign, wherein Aviano was "full" but the Adriatic was roomy enough to deploy the Nimitz-class CVN?  What did the British lack in 1982 & what limited British & French capacities off Libya several years ago...lack of  CV.
 
This is like the tank...the tank has been obsolete since 1919.....
 
The US may CHOOSE to deploy fewer than the current 10-12 CVBG's...but that is not the same as ELIMINATING them....or seeing them as "too costly/non-cost beneficial."
 
Quote    Reply

HR    Hurrah!!   5/5/2015 11:58:00 AM
It was a few days ago that I was debating with ol'keff and others that we indeed had too many carriers for the times and here comes this article. Poor Professor Higgins... I mean Keffler. We are operating closer to coast lines and doing so against area denial weapons. This article is nothing but logic and some posters here are doing nothing but living in the past... or like Keffler in the disco-era.
 
Quote    Reply

HR    Hurrah!! Continue...   5/5/2015 11:59:28 AM
And can anyone doubt now the importance of the F-35B, the LCS, the Osprey and others that we are tailoring to operate in those environs?
 
Quote    Reply

JFKY    HR,   5/5/2015 12:28:31 PM
Stop trolling....anything ON TOPIC?
 
LCS...yes LCS is still an expensive OPV....the mission module capacity, apparently, deployable in other platforms, such as SSN's or even other surface vessels...the ACTUAL modules still don't work....it comes at too hi a price, with a speed requirement that is silly....
Osprey may turn out to all right...
F-35 still could be a Horse Designed By Committee or an Amiot 143 or a Bleriot 127
 
Quote    Reply



 Latest
 News
 
 Most
 Read
 
 Most
 Commented
 Hot
 Topics