>>Then I wish no dog has ever bite you. I have a Kangal Shepperd dog that I am very fond of.<< Too late. Fundamentalist Islam claims their are things more holy than the bottom of my foot, and this offends me.

No worries man. I'm still in my college campus crawling years. Believe it or not there are quite a few Turkish students here at Purdue. Just average folk you'd find anywhere in the world. Most of the Turks I've met are religious in the way most Americans are(they say they are, but don't really spend a whole lotta effort on it). Considering that I don't like traveling at all(what do you mean I can't have a Coke with dinner? Where's the cow milk?) I wouldn't put my chances on traveling to Turkey all that high. Friends just recently moved to Greece and so if/when my wife and I visit them it might be possible, but I really hate traveling. But my point about Ak still stands. 'Being nice' works with some types. Other you have to break their nose before they're willing to stop. It's been our collective estimation that being nice has done all it can, and now it's time for the 'Chicago Way.'

I stand corrected. Let me rephrase this then. AK has deemed that the time for reflection by the terrorists/sympathizers has passed. We are now REALLY PISSED OFF. TO avoid having JDAMs dropped on your country prove you are with us(not a forest harboring a wolf, essentually). remember this well ilpars, at the moment we are able to restrain those who share AK's sentiments. We won't always be able to. Radicalists/Fundementalists need to remember that, as do those who harbor and abet them. This isn't an indictment of you, or your nation, for being Moslem. It's more something your countrymen should think about before supporting something like aQ, Wahhabi, or other violence promoting groups.

>>I stand corrected. Let me rephrase this then. AK has deemed that the time for reflection by the terrorists/sympathizers has passed. We are now REALLY PISSED OFF. TO avoid having JDAMs dropped on your country prove you are with us(not a forest harboring a wolf, essentually). remember this well ilpars, at the moment we are able to restrain those who share AK's sentiments. We won't always be able to. Radicalists/Fundementalists need to remember that, as do those who harbor and abet them. This isn't an indictment of you, or your nation, for being Moslem. It's more something your countrymen should think about before supporting something like aQ, Wahhabi, or other violence promoting groups.<< Exactly. But I don't see it as a case of people who share my view as being restrained. Lots of people are angry that we aren't bombing the hell out of Iran (yet). There's more than enough people wondering why Saudi Arabia gets to run commercials on American television telling us they are our friends while we can't run commercials on their television telling them they're full of sh*t. The "average" American is not the media elite. I'm more afraid of another Islamic terrorist attack on American soil than I am about how the Islamic world feels about what America is doing. We were "the Great Shaitan" long before September 11th. Four American civilian contractors are killed, their bodies burned, mutilated, cannibalized, and dragged through the streets, and hung on a bridge in Fallujah. Instead of wondering how news of prisoner abuse affects the mindset of the people of Fallujah, we should be wondering why Fallujah is still there. No one sane can answer that.

"remember this well ilpars, at the moment we are able to restrain those who share AK's sentiments. We won't always be able to." The moment USA do not able to restrain fanatics is the moment USA will be under serious trouble. Nothing good comes from fanatism. Worst case scenario of a fanatic government is Nazi Germany. Best case scenario is endless wars.

I work with stuff that is cutting years of my life, probably going to give me cancer, and makes having kids a real crap shoot. SO I think that qualifies me as 'outside of sanity' AK. Ergo, I'll try to explain why I say that those who do share your sentiment(including me depending on the day and the time) are restrained. It's called geopolitics. People in high places(not just the media elites and the art crowd jackalopes) are holding back from the 'main gun solution' trying to find an amicable solution to many parties(The EU jackalopes, the 'Arab Street', and moderate electorate here in the States who find bloodshed distasteful and like any compromise better than seeing pictures of the dead). That may or may not be possible, but they are trying. It may be a fools errand, but I do see the logic of it. BH Liddel-Heart defined high strategy as seeing solutions to the problem AND seeing the future problems that a given solution will inevitabely result in(all solutions do this according to BHLH). Couple this to the Machiavellian politics of today and it's easily seen why some of the avg joes are being restrained. But, as you indicate, that leaving only 1 out of every 10 alive in the ME may be the surest means of protecting the US. It isn't necesssarily the best in the long run(embargoes from just about everyone in the world would be ruinous on us AK). Which is why you are restrained. Another terror attack and that may not be the case. Which is why I am admonishing you to warn your fellows ilpars. We Americans aren't playing around. We're a very dour and serious people when it comes to protecting our own. What's going on in Iraq is what happens when we go out with very restrictive ROE, are govenred by our concern for the innocent, and severly limit ourselves from using the most lethal weapons and tactics at our disposal. Another terror attack and those ROE and concern for the innocent will go out the window, and the Arab Penninsula will see what happens when the US goes to war without holding back. We may rebuild it when it's over, but first it will be a smoldering ruin. AK ins't in the minority, but he isn't in power either. That may change(AK for President was actually floated on the boards, and Bush will definately go this route if we are attacked again). Someone with real power is eventually going to agree with AK, if they don't already, and start earnestly promoting this idea in the circles where decisions are made. It's a question I think you should ask your fellow Moslems ilpars: Do you really want to see what an enraged US is capable of? The Arab Street can make international relations trouble for us, but we can make the Arab Street disappear, literally. If Bush had decided to launch a massive war on the entire ME right after 9/11 I doubt there would have been any real opposition to it. It's unfair to ask you to remind your Islamic brethren to remember that, and the cataclysm that would entail, but you're there on the periphery of Arabia. You can float the idea and have it heard where it really needs to be considered. I cannot.

"Worst case scenario of a fanatic government is Nazi Germany. Best case scenario is endless wars." Don't over look the scenario of one very big but very short war, producing tens or hundreds of millions dead. This is the point that the Arabs don't understand yet. If we are stressed too far, things could be very bad fof them. I don't beleive we would get world wide sanctions against us, though. We're worth too much money. France, China, etc will happily trade with any nation, even the one that has incinerated the middle east. I would predict only some noise- but not too much noise, because in the minds of the world, we Americans would be the new Arabs: "Don't uspet the Americans, or the American Street will Boil Over With Rage (tm)."

I am not an influencial man, not a media boss and do not personally know any fundementalist. So, how can I warn them, I do not know. USA is not the first country who had to deal with terrorism and I do not get if we get really upset, we will flat ME with Nukes kind of approach. You have the military, if you do not believe in your military to handle this, why do you pay for it. If you believe, they are capable of handling this, "why I am so pissed off that, I wanna nuke somewhere" talking. I am not impressed by your bravado.

If USA nuke ME even with a single bomb, everybody will try to obtain nuclear weapons by all costs. And next major war world will see, will be a nuclear one. Then, bye bye world; welcome apocalypse. Do not overlook this scenario either.

"Don't uspet the Americans, or the American Street will Boil Over With Rage (tm)." Damit. That was the crux of my argument, and now you've gone an trade marked it. Now what am I supposed to do? Care to give me a license to use it Sarge?