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Subject: Royal Marnes-In Decline?
ambush    10/23/2005 9:32:54 PM
I just finished watching a show on the military channel about Royal Marines basic training. Apparently attrition is of such a concern that they are looking at ways to reduce the stress so fewer recruits quit. To hear the Commander of recruit training talk; it brought flash back of the philosophy of US Marine Recruit training back in the Mid 70s to mid 80s.. The push then was to reduce the stress, the party line being there was enough stress already in the training schedule it there was no need for Drill Instructors to add to it. Modern recruits do not need or respond to such outdated techniques, so they said. I was in the US Marine Corps during this time frame and it was a disaster only turned around when General Gray became Commandant. This is pretty much seemed to be the line (USMC mid 70s- mid 80s) that the Royal Marine CO was pushing on the show, but for different reasons. The USMC response was due mostly to political fallout as the result of recruit deaths during training (some admittedly from abuse) that threatened the existence of the Marine Corps. The Royal Marines problem seems to be one of not graduating enough recruits to “sustain the force” which makes it a target of the number crunchers and accountants in London. Everybody knows the Royal Navy would fight harder for an Aircraft Carrier the Royal Marine Commandos in a budget battle. Is my take on this wrong? Is what is possibly the finest light Infantry outfit in the world entering a period of declining standards? They already have had a woman graduate from the Commando Course, on her third attempt and only after having to repeat the parts of the course she failed in previous attempts. Are the Paras having the same problems?
 
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Liver    RE:Royal Marnes-In Decline?   10/24/2005 3:06:44 PM
i think this is part of a trend generaly i have talked to navy recruters who came to my school and they were saying how the royal marines were desperate for recruts. I can think of several reasons for this decline .... firstly i believe that the R
 
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Liver    RE:Royal Marnes-In Decline?   10/24/2005 3:15:29 PM
i think this is part of a trend generaly i have talked to navy recruters who came to my school and they were saying how the royal marines were desperate for recruts. I can think of several reasons for this decline .... firstly i think there are less and less people willing to join the forces, this is partly to do with pay compared to most jobs its pretty bad. so this stops alot of people even considering the Marines. Secondly especialy after the iraq war the armed forces is becoming less and less popular, thirdly whitehall's bean counters are probably putting much pressure on them to pass men through more often ...(sure theyll be less effective but just look at how much money we could save) and lastly (although i think this is declining now) there just wasnt enough (for want of a better word) advertising but as i said theyve caught on to this now and have pulled of some pretty good PR stunts like recently absailing down the front of the natonal gallery in trafalgar square as part of the trafalgar 200 celebrations. I think though that this might be part of a wider general trend in the UK armed forces.
 
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eatmee    RE:Royal Marnes-In Decline?   10/27/2005 5:55:47 PM
Yes, in general this is the state of todays armed forces (not so much the airforce) But the army and marines are, over streched , underfunded amd loosing staff left right and centre to better proffesions. Like 'bodyguarding' in iraq in 2003/4. The main problems of general distaste for military service, and the effects of the iraq war are severely debilitating on the surface to army recruitment. Then if possible recruits (like me) who may be interested and have had the mind to examine and take into mind the further facts of, underfundidng (US Servicemen called our army the borrowers, due to having to get better american gear because of underequiping) this cronic under equiping, incompetance of commanders , political correctness and policies which threaten the survival of soldiers litterally sending them to thier deaths(6 MP'S massacred in basra 2003), and large scale cut backs and reductions in british armoured divisions (the most fundamental part of any army) which ofcourse is a completely retarded mistake. Also the general attitude of bean counters cutting the armies arms and legs off, the present climate in iraq. Our forces in such a place undemanned overstreched, and close to being overwhelmed. There is no wonder people are not interested.
 
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