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Subject: Iranian & Saudi Arabiaian surrogates fight for the GAZA. How Can US/Israel make this a win.
RockyMTNClimber    2/16/2007 5:25:31 PM
An Interesting Article from Defense Update: Just a little over a year has elapsed since Hamas won the controversial elections for the Palestinian parliament, but by the signing of the Mecca Agreement, it must now be celebrating its ultimate victory against all odds: The Saudi throne endorsed Ismail Haniyeh as Palestinian prime minister but any unity government to be established will from now on come under Saudi patronage. Money is no object either. The Saudi benefactor and its allies can funnel the Palestinian protectorate aid amounting to USD three billion every year without butting an eyelid. Their oil revenues last year alone, totaled some US$ 480 billion. The most pressing goal in the Saudi Monarch's sights was Haniyeh’s personal guarantee to scale down in stages the Iranian and Hezbollah presence in Gaza and nullify Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's painstaking efforts, made last year to establish Tehran's strategic Mediterranian outpost in Gaza "Hamastan". King Abdullah bin Abdul Aziz al-Saud had groomed Ismail Haniyeh’s rise to the top of the Hamas' leadership during his visit to Riyadh in the second half of January.......... ............But what worries the Saudi king is not Iran's active involvement in Palestinian affairs, but rather the domino theory of Iranian influence: the concern that this is yet another political move, coming on top of its intervention in Iraq and Lebanon. The attention that Saudi Arabia is paying to the Palestine Authority, whether Hamas or Fatah, is seen primarily as a way of attempting to contain the Iranian domino effect. The Saudi mediation initiative is therefore viewed as one that must succeed, or challenge the ultimate test of Saudi prestige in the region, a situation which the Saudi royal household cannot tolerate. From Israel's point of view, the Mecca Agreement is certainly a worrisome development. The battle to hinder Hamas from gaining the world's acceptance may well end in defeat, because even the Bush administration would not be able to reject an intra-Palestinian compromise agreement led by the Saudi king. American interests in Saudi Arabia are dominant. Riyadh is the third-largest supplier of oil to the US and no administration in Washington would dare reject the Mecca Agreement that the Saudi king is so proud of, even if there are officials, which regard such an agreement as misplaced and counter to Israel's interest. But under the circumstances, it is clearly evident, that Israel can blame no one but its own shortsighted political leadership, which allowed the controversial January 2006 elections to be held at all, contrary to all forebodings and which brought Hamas to power..... For the complete article: h**p://www.defense-update.com/newscast/0207/analysis/analysis-140207.htm*** I do not see how this helps Israel or the Western Countries in general since the Saudi brand of radicallism is as bad or worse than any other. Saudi's have taken a strong stand to counter against Iran's recent provocations. These actions are self serving to Saudi Arabia of course. How can the US & Israel use this to their advantage, without turning the Gaza & West Bank into a Saudi/Wahabi state. Check Six Rocky
 
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RockyMTNClimber    Saudi influence   2/16/2007 5:30:31 PM
 
These seems like a more overt move than the royal family usually make. Are the Saudi's making their own little "quagmire"?
 
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BadNews       2/16/2007 5:45:25 PM

 

These seems like a more overt move than the royal family usually make. Are the Saudi's making their own little "quagmire"?

 

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My assumption is that the Saudi's fear Iranian Domination more than they do they're own internal struggles with Al Queda symphasiers
 
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RockyMTNClimber    Will it help us or hurt us? Can we effect that benefit or loss?   2/16/2007 10:03:39 PM
My assumption is that the Saudi's fear Iranian Domination more than they do they're own internal struggles with Al Queda symphasiers
 
Will we be in a better place if the Saudi's succeed in developing a "controling interest" in Gaza? or the Palestinian territories in general? I am trying to wrap my head around what happens if Saudi's take over in the Palestinian areas.
 
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BadNews       2/16/2007 10:27:26 PM
The Saudis know one thing, so long as they work with us they will survive, I highly doubt that the saudis would involve themselves in that struggle with out at least an implicit nod from the US, it would not surprise me if somewhere some american influence is behind this
 
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RockyMTNClimber    Tick...Tick...tick...   2/17/2007 12:11:19 PM

The Saudis know one thing, so long as they work with us they will survive, I highly doubt that the saudis would involve themselves in that struggle with out at least an implicit nod from the US, it would not surprise me if somewhere some american influence is behind this


I just can't shake the feeling that a fuse is ticking on that. We will trade the Hamas/Hezbollah brand of hate for a Wahabbistani version of hate.
 
If the House of Saud holds together maybe that is better but somehow I doubt it.
 
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BadNews       2/20/2007 3:20:00 PM




The Saudis know one thing, so long as they work with us they will survive, I highly doubt that the saudis would involve themselves in that struggle with out at least an implicit nod from the US, it would not surprise me if somewhere some american influence is behind this




I just can't shake the feeling that a fuse is ticking on that. We will trade the Hamas/Hezbollah brand of hate for a Wahabbistani version of hate.

 

If the House of Saud holds together maybe that is better but somehow I doubt it.

 

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I understand your concern, I just don't see it the same way, If anything, the Saudi's are looking more to become the lead voice for the muslim world, and stopping the fighting over the long haul would suit that purpose better.
 
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RockyMTNClimber    All good points   2/21/2007 12:17:19 PM
I understand your concern, I just don't see it the same way, If anything, the Saudi's are looking more to become the lead voice for the muslim world, and stopping the fighting over the long haul would suit that purpose better.
 
Allot of dead Jihadists were carrying Saudi papers when we sent them to collect their virgins. 19 of the 20 hijackers were in fact Saudi. The average Saudi/Wahabbi cleric wants the next Califet to be Sunni not Iranian Shia.  How stable are the royal family?
 
This could back fire but it is the only game in town I suppose. Since we refuse to drill our own oil off of the continental shelfs and ANBAR.
 
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