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Subject: New Age Warfare Fails in Practice
SouthRider    10/23/2003 11:09:18 AM
War is all hell ... for a reason It can be observed that our military is evolving in strange ways - not necessarily the best in all cases. Sure, we’ve gotten wonderfully "diverse", for whatever military advantage that provides, but we’ve also become so invested in technology we’ve begun to believe war and horror are not necessarily synonymous. Since first commented upon in print by then Chief of the Soviet General Staff Nicolai Ogarkov in 1982 there has been considerable activity in military circles on the "Revolution of Military Affairs" or "RMA". As part of his address from the flight deck of the USS Lincoln our President, clearly advised by adherents of RMA theories, noted;"For 100 years of war, culminating in the nuclear age, military technology was designed and deployed to inflict casualties on an ever-growing scale. In defeating Nazi Germany and imperial Japan, allied forces destroyed entire cities, while enemy leaders who started the conflict were safe until the final days. Military power was used to end a regime by breaking a nation. Today, we have the greater power to free a nation by breaking a dangerous and aggressive regime. With new tactics and precision weapons, we can achieve military objectives without directing violence against civilians. No device of man can remove the tragedy from war. Yet it is a great advance when the guilty have far more to fear from war than the innocent." On reflection it might be observed that our obsession to avoid "needless" casualties has provided us with some measure of success in Iraq void of a meaningful victory. The Iraqi soldiers who shrugged off their uniforms and faded into the general population didn’t suffer sufficient to bow to our will - and shy of that what was the point? As a counterpoint, consider the following from a note to the Mayor of Atlanta from a war winning General;"You cannot qualify war in harsher terms than I will. War is cruelty, and you cannot refine it; and those who brought war into our country deserve all the curses and maledictions a people can pour out. I know I had no hand in making this war, and I know I will make more sacrifices to-day than any of you to secure peace." As the new century dawns we’ve already demonstrated technologically advanced half measures won’t meet our needs. A six foot six Arab on dialysis and a mustached Dahlmer wanna-be have both, so far, evaded all such efforts. In the meanwhile our troops are taking rounds while accompanied by "embedded" reporters and command staff’s are augmented with "battle jags". While I agree that it is desirable to establish military dominance in space we must also eliminate all but the warriors from the ranks of our uniformed military and accept that their trade is a bloody one. Today’s Moors are no less fanatical than Hitler’s SS or the emperor’s Kamikazes and must at every opportunity be treated with similar harshness. The fact that our troops are volunteers and socially distant from America's 'nomenklatura' - of both 'left' and 'right' persuasion , and the fiction that technology has made war relatively humane must not be allowed to either lower the threshold for real combat or limit the speed and brutality necessary to fully execute the mission. It is the only way wars are won - and their results conclusive.
 
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macawman    RE:New Age Warfare Fails in Practice   10/23/2003 12:13:50 PM
We have a whole crop of peacetime career mentality generals. Every prewar period in US histroy has had them. Most generals get to that lofty position by 'punching all the tickets' and by being PC. Maybe the new CoS of the Army, Gen. Schoomaker like Marshall will sort out the 'wheat from the chaff' and put our Army on a deliberate and focused course to neutralize foreign terrorism directed at the US.
 
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919    RE:New Age Warfare Fails in Practice   12/11/2003 1:29:15 PM
I'm not sure if you are half right or half wrong. RMA is a joke. No one has ever proven that such a thing exits. There have been many Evolutions in Military Affairs. Shouting orders to your side might qualify, but shouting over a radio instead of by mouth is NOT a Revolution, but an evolution. ALL weapons are chemical powered. Energy storage in a brass tube instead of a muscle or a rope is evolutionary, not revolutionary. RMA is a buzz word used to promote needless military spending. Nothing more, nothing less. War is about about imposing ones will on the enemy. You are argueing that killing the enemy is the best way of imposing one's will one him. I would like you to consider what W.T. Sherman's Boss had to say about that. 'The best way to defeat an enemy is to make him your friend'. While there are circumstances where you cannot be friends, it is ALWAYS worth the effort to try that approach first. It is very difficult to make friends with a corpse. They tend to be non-responsive. So you need to try the "peace, love, happiness" thingy first. If that doesn't work, you can then go Roman on them. For America in the 21st Century, going Roman means MIRV's comin down at 8 KM's per second to produce mushroom clouds. So why not try something else first. What ever it is we try , we certainly won't be able to try it after the Pika Dan. And if the Iraq plan doesn't work, we can always nuke every Arab city with a population more then 14. IIRC the USA has about 24,000 cores waiting to be assembled into bombs. Are there 24,000 Arab cities? Should we save a few for others? Or just build more? 919
 
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bsl    RE:New Age Warfare Fails in Practice   12/11/2003 5:45:42 PM
"On reflection it might be observed that our obsession to avoid "needless" casualties has provided us with some measure of success in Iraq void of a meaningful victory." At Time=Zero, Saddam Hussein ruled Iraq, controlled a whole country, with huge natural wealth, and a substantial military establishment. At Time=One, Saddam Hussein is in hiding, if he's alive. The Iraqi military establishment no longer exists. Iraqi oil is not controled by American enemies. "The Iraqi soldiers who shrugged off their uniforms and faded into the general population didn’t suffer sufficient to bow to our will - and shy of that what was the point" The people we're fighting, now, AREN'T the "Iraqi soldiers". Those nice people who faded into the woodwork are still in the woodwork. The ones shooting and bombing are either Ba'ath Party loyalists (the equivalent of Nazi Party officials in 1946) or some foriegn jihadis. To argue that the war isn't over or the final goal accomplished is reasonable. To argue that nothing has changed, nothing has been accomplished is just wrong.
 
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SouthRider    RE:New Age Warfare Fails in Practice   12/17/2003 5:42:54 PM
To summarize ... Mr. MACAWMAN sees a requirement to "sort the wheat from the chaff" - we are in agreement good sir. Mr. 919 saw my missive as half right, apparently he also is less than sold on new think, but he points out that attempting amicable relations before hostilities is the best approach. And, Mr. BSL takes it that I am saying nothing has been accomplished in Iraq. Thank you all for you comment. To Mr. 919 I agree that, prehostilities, diplomacy and negotiations are appropriately the norm. With the opening shot however that changes - the degree of brutality depending on a strategy - and the strategy, in turn, depending on your opponent. To that end, Mr. Daniel Pipes states, correctly IMHO, that the answer to violent Moslem fundamentalism is for the violent ones to adopt a more moderate form of Islam. I don't see our kinder and gentler approach to war in Iraq as having brought many to reflect on the wisdom of choosing to be a jihadi. As for thinking nothing has changed in Iraq, I was and am satisfied significant things have changed.
 
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