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Subject: top 10 tanks in the world!!!
Hong-Xing    8/12/2003 9:07:05 AM
i think it would be this t-90 (rus) m1a2 (usa) t-98 (chi) m1a1 (usa) Challenger 2 (bri) t-95 black hawk (rus) al khalid (chi) merkeva (bra) arjun (ind) t-90||| (chi)
 
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Horsesoldier    RE:jacques , number DO matter   12/14/2003 7:02:29 AM
>>Leclerc is the newest tank out there that is the reason why not too many coutires are buying it. As times goes by more and more countries will see how good it is and they would want to buy it.<< Correct me if I am wrong, but LeClerc entered French service in 1992, with upgrades to software in 1998. This makes it older than the Challenger 2 (first unit equipped 1994), the Leopard 2A6 (2001), and the M1A2SEP (2001). With over a decade in service, a sum total of one foreign customer has purchased the LeClerc. >>These are the reasons 1. It is most sophislicated eletronic suite 2. Well armed 3. Good armor 4. Excellent mobility 5. Excellent transportability 6. Users friendly 7. UPGRADABILITY !!!!!!!<< Electronics are debatable (like everything else), but I'd note that US FBCB2 is battle tested and proven. The M1A2SEP also has radically superior electro-optical systems compared to anything the LeClerc mounts, with three thermal imagers (one per crewman, except the loader) including the gunner's x50 power sight. 2. Well Armed -- No more so than any other comparable western tank. 3. Good Armor -- Again, at best no more so than any other comparable tank, and probably less well protected than any of the other major western competitors. 4. Mobility -- The only edge here is is bridge trafficability. Otherwise the LeClerc is no more mobile, nor any nimbler, than a Leo 2A6 or an M1A2SEP (and the latter, with the turbine, will out-accelerate any diesel powered tank). LeClerc is faster than Challenger 2 (70 km/h versus 59 km/h, 50km/h cross country versus 40km/h) but that's about it. 5. Transportability. You still can only put one on even the largest aircraft. You still have to put the LeClerc on an HET-type truck for long administrative moves. There is no benefit in this respect for sacrificing armor to keep weight down to 56 tons versus 62 ton Leo2A6 and Chally 2, nor even much benefit versus a 69.5 ton M1A2SEP. 6. User friendly -- Are we now arguing that the LeClerc is more ergonomic than other major western tanks? 7. Upgradability -- As has been noted before, all major western tanks (except LeClerc) have been upgraded without much fuss a number of times. I count five major upgrades of the M1 since introduction, six or seven for the Leopard 2, and even one for the Challenger 2 ('E' version). The LeClerc, in one decade (and correct me if I am wrong) has been upgraded once with software mods.
 
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Porsche Turret    RE:to all   12/17/2003 1:03:18 PM
1. Leopard 2 A 6 2.M1 newest 3.Leqlerc newest 4.Challenger newest even US Military sources say the Leopard 2A6 is the only euro tank as goog as M1 or in parts better. please go to also in english
 
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InFuSeR    RE:to all   12/17/2003 3:18:15 PM
I dont think Leopard 2 A6 out does the new m1a2 SEP which came out in 2001 (i think).In the study by FAS it put the Leopard 2 A6 and compared it to the M1A1 not the new M1a2 Sep i think the m1a2 SEP beats the lastes verison of the leopard 2.And i know deep down in my heart the Leqlerc MBT doesnt have a chance vs the Challenger 2
 
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brit_view    RE:to all   12/17/2003 3:57:23 PM
Why are people wasting time talking about tanks that are not battle proven? The UK leads the world when it comes to armor and that is clear. While the Challanger 1 did have problems challenger 2 is much better, and battle hardened in the recent war while the french tanks collected dust like other pices of french military hardware.
 
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Couac_Attack    RE:to all   12/17/2003 5:25:36 PM
" Why are people wasting time talking about tanks that are not battle proven? The UK leads the world when it comes to armor and that is clear. While the Challanger 1 did have problems challenger 2 is much better, and battle hardened in the recent war while the french tanks collected dust like other pices of french military hardware " plz try to bring us more interessants comments than that!
 
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LMF    RE:to all   12/17/2003 9:17:48 PM
As opposed to your everything French is good. Please try not to be so hypocrtical and narrow minded
 
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jacques    RE:to all   12/18/2003 3:05:36 AM
And I suppose everything british made are good without giving valid reason is not hypocrite ? Listen, M1, Challenger, Leclerc, Leopard, Merkava, Ariette thay are all good. It's depend on your tactical situation and your users.
 
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LMF    RE:to all the nationalists   12/18/2003 7:50:23 AM
I don't see many posters here going on ad nausem about how everything British is good. I do see two french posters who are only capable of spewing out French propaganda and ruining very good discuissions with infantile nationalist drivel. Please take your tricolor flag and play with the children somewhere or apply your minds to something other than mindless chants.
 
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Couac_Attack    RE:to all the nationalists   12/18/2003 11:34:19 AM
" I don't see many posters here going on ad nausem about how everything British is good. I do see two french posters who are only capable of spewing out French propaganda and ruining very good discuissions with infantile nationalist drivel. Please take your tricolor flag and play with the children somewhere or apply your minds to something other than mindless chants " Plz, go and search a post where we claim that the French stuff is the best and we dont say anything to proov it.
 
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nextxxx    correction   12/18/2003 1:49:32 PM
The "Merkava" is Israeli not Brazilian...
 
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