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Subject: top 10 tanks in the world!!!
Hong-Xing    8/12/2003 9:07:05 AM
i think it would be this t-90 (rus) m1a2 (usa) t-98 (chi) m1a1 (usa) Challenger 2 (bri) t-95 black hawk (rus) al khalid (chi) merkeva (bra) arjun (ind) t-90||| (chi)
 
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Lynstyne       8/2/2009 6:53:31 AM
Chally had major problems with sand (on exercise) until the mod stopped trying to save money and installed the recommended (read more expensive) air filters.
 
It was alleged at one time that the high temps in the turbine resulted in sand turning to glass - who Knows??
 
I suspect the next gen will drop the turbine - economy and IR.  Personally i dont like the exhaust issues of a turbine. and looking at variou picture the M1 seems a bit vulnerable to mobility kills at the exhaust.
 
 
As for the best tank horses and courses.  most are similar in capabillity.
 
as a preference i prefer the C2
1) diesel - more economical and commonality of fuel.
2) its my understanding the C2 is better protected along its side and flanks than the M1, the M1 is better protected accross its frontol arc. and I reckon people are going for flank shots where poss. 
 
3 im british
 
My preference in know way do i claim its better
 
 
 
 
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mabie       8/2/2009 10:59:26 PM

Chally had major problems with sand (on exercise) until the mod stopped trying to save money and installed the recommended (read more expensive) air filters.

 
I recall watching a documentary that toched on this problem. It seems the tank was churning up so much sand that was finding its way into the engine intakes. Credit the crews for devising an improvised skirts on both sides that funneled the airborne sand under the vehicle and out the back well away from the intakes. The removeable skirts are now standard kit. 
 

 



 
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ss69       8/7/2009 12:30:19 AM
As the German Idiot has suggested, and the Military channel has reported, The German Leopard II tank is the best.
 
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ss69       8/7/2009 12:42:24 AM
The French don't do anything well when it comes to war. With their nose in the air, as if they are better than the U.S.A. They are lucky to be speaking french, for if not for Hitlers " Call the dogs off " at Dunkirk while the French army is hiding in basements like cowards, as the Brittish try to hold ground. The French flag should be a white surrender flag. The US, English, Polish and Canadian armys are the reason all the liberal cowards get to run around and blame everything on the US.
 
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cerbere    HHmmm   8/10/2009 8:13:31 PM
And let me guess ss69 you talk out of experience?! or you just a lil kid coming around to troll ?! just to let you know if it was not for the french you will be singing "god save the queen", funny that you mention dunkirk as every historian pointed out that the english were running to the beach will the french were holding the german at bay, ever heard of a general named degaulle? he tried(without maintenance of any kind) to hold them with his tanks, when they arrived they didn't had much left as a tank force but still did manage to hold them, instead of listening to your father the redneck how about reading fact instead of fantasy?
 
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LB    French can Fight   8/11/2009 1:03:50 AM
Among myriad examples of French military skill and valor I would merely note 4th battle of Monte Cassino where the French Corp under Juin was the key force in the battle and clearly fought with more skill and elan than any other allied force.  Personally I will never forgive Chirac and France for 2003 but facts are facts.
 
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JTR~~    Best tank?? hmm   2/8/2010 12:50:42 PM
well for a start everyone who thinks russian tanks are still superior plz leave the room. the t-90 although good is not up to par with many of its counterparts, but yet again it does have the numbers. the merkeva tank is amazing and has excellent protection and a good gun. but its range is lower than others and it is one of the most expensive tanks around today. Thr german leopard 2 is one of the single greatest tanks avaliable hence success on the global market but it isnt perfect no tank is.
why this person put the m1a1 abrams above the challenger 2 i do not know. there is no physical reason why anyone should do that. m1a2 abrams is a very good expensive tank. good speed same gun as leopard and excellent armour now that the brits gave it chobbam.
the challenger 2 is by far superior to all of the above (only just in the case of the leopard 2, a fight between those tow would be someting to see). the challenger is the worlds fastest tank offroad. and now it has even better armour that the abrams in the form of dorchester which americans would like to think they have but the have the older version. also the gun on the challenger 2 is superior. want proof?? well here is your proof a challenger 1 scored the longest range ever tank to tank kill in all of history at almost 4 miles. and plus a challenger of either mark has never been lost to enemy fire, 1 has been lost to friendly fire (from another challenger) they have been hit and on rare occasion damaged but all survived to fight another day. the abrams record as not been as good as somewhere between 5-10 abrams have been lost in operational service (most to ENEMY fire) dont quote me on that however, you can quote me on the fact that they have sustained losses to enemy fire.
in saying this i would still put my money on abrams to win as there are 9000 of them. if it was 1 for 1 then my top 10 would go something like this
1. (British) Challenger 2
2.(German) Leopard 2
3 (american) M1A2 abrams
4. (israeli) Merkeva
5.(British) Challenger 1
6.(German) Leopard 1
7. (american) M1A1 abrams
8. (Polish) PT 91
9.(Russian) T-90
10.(British) Shir Khan
this would be the same for line up for quality of tank to, except for the Shir Khan would move up 1 place.
for all those who were wondering the Shir Khan was the predecessor the challenger design. however one tank is missing from the list possibly the best overall out of all of them, not because it could destory all of them, because it cant it is too old now. the tank that deserves to be on that list is the British Centurion. it came into servie in 1945 and the israelis still use it today, no other tank has ever dont this.
 
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Nocturne       2/8/2010 1:20:40 PM
amd whats so special about PT 91?
 
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cwDeici       2/8/2010 2:39:36 PM

Exactly how does one have a discussion comparing MBT's when as far as I am aware there is no available data to directly compare things like relative armor protection?  People can post all they want that the M1, LeoII, or Merkava have the best armor in a given arc but there is no data to support such a position.  There are gunnery competitions and other data regarding main gun performance but I submit the public does not know how well protected these tanks are relative to each other.  Israel could have bought M1's and seem very happy with the Merkava.  However good the Merkava is there is little question the 60 ton Namer is the most well protected infantry carrier.  No other modern tank has an infantry carrier version and in that regard the Merkava is better than any other MBT.  In any case I doubt if the M1, LeoII, or Challenger2 are significantly superior to one another to go on about given exact comparisons of protection are not available.  The bigger question mark in my view is exactly how good the Merkava is?


 



This is why I based the Abrams as first for its actual performance, Merkava for its actual performance and specialization, and the Challenger and Leapoard as third and fourth as they may be equal or better than the Abrams and are not specialized like the Merkava and have seen significant (but less than the Abrams) and little combat (in the Leapoard's case) respectively.
 
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cwDeici       2/8/2010 3:25:04 PM

well for a start everyone who thinks russian tanks are still superior plz leave the room. the t-90 although good is not up to par with many of its counterparts, but yet again it does have the numbers. the merkeva tank is amazing and has excellent protection and a good gun. but its range is lower than others and it is one of the most expensive tanks around today. Thr german leopard 2 is one of the single greatest tanks avaliable hence success on the global market but it isnt perfect no tank is.

why this person put the m1a1 abrams above the challenger 2 i do not know. there is no physical reason why anyone should do that. m1a2 abrams is a very good expensive tank. good speed same gun as leopard and excellent armour now that the brits gave it chobbam.

the challenger 2 is by far superior to all of the above (only just in the case of the leopard 2, a fight between those tow would be someting to see). the challenger is the worlds fastest tank offroad. and now it has even better armour that the abrams in the form of dorchester which americans would like to think they have but the have the older version. also the gun on the challenger 2 is superior. want proof?? well here is your proof a challenger 1 scored the longest range ever tank to tank kill in all of history at almost 4 miles. and plus a challenger of either mark has never been lost to enemy fire, 1 has been lost to friendly fire (from another challenger) they have been hit and on rare occasion damaged but all survived to fight another day. the abrams record as not been as good as somewhere between 5-10 abrams have been lost in operational service (most to ENEMY fire) dont quote me on that however, you can quote me on the fact that they have sustained losses to enemy fire.

in saying this i would still put my money on abrams to win as there are 9000 of them. if it was 1 for 1 then my top 10 would go something like this

1. (British) Challenger 2

2.(German) Leopard 2

3 (american) M1A2 abrams

4. (israeli) Merkeva

5.(British) Challenger 1

6.(German) Leopard 1

7. (american) M1A1 abrams

8. (Polish) PT 91

9.(Russian) T-90

10.(British) Shir Khan

this would be the same for line up for quality of tank to, except for the Shir Khan would move up 1 place.

for all those who were wondering the Shir Khan was the predecessor the challenger design. however one tank is missing from the list possibly the best overall out of all of them, not because it could destory all of them, because it cant it is too old now. the tank that deserves to be on that list is the British Centurion. it came into servie in 1945 and the israelis still use it today, no other tank has ever dont this.



 
Good arguments and you've mostly convinced me however I do note that the Abrams has seen a low multiple of combat more than the Challenger due to its numbers and somewhat more intensive deployment areas (many key battles in Iraq were purely American). However if I cut that by a few times to reflect that fact then it's still 1-3, so I guess there must be something special about the Challenger. I've read of some battles it's been in and under intensive RPG fire some damages have been sustained, like losing most of its mobility and needing to be towed out (if I remember corretly, not sure), but as you say no damage that forced an abandonment or scrapping of the vehicle. I know of several situations where it's needed help, but all in all, very impressive. PErhaps it is best!
I will research some of your claims, especially the one regarding armour as you seem quite certain and it makes me wish to learn about tank armor.
 
Thank you!
 
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