You could have summarized that entire essay with, "I have no military experience. I have never touched a T72 much less a T90. All the information I have is what I read off of the internet and forums."

 

The Russians do build some decent kit. The T72 and T90 are not one of those. You can cry all you want, but the fact remains you don't have the slightest clue what you are talking about. My first hand experience and the first hand experience of people I work with trumps whatever fantasy you want to conjure up because you have some sort of penis envy for US military hardware.

You never given any real technical explanation to any of the disadvantages which i listed before, and then you started swearing and now you make conclusions as a judge of this conversation.

 

Each disadvantage i addressed you repelled just by saying that its not an issue because something else does account for that... (as in case with lower range - best logistics, no loader - best and fast soldiers)

 

 There were whole bunch of people on this thread not necessarily tank crew members, but at least having logic is more important, and when someone tells shit like "russians cant perform air support, their missiles are not effective etc" it does not matter for me then how much you served in military! Really... what difference does it make? How does that matter if you have first hand experience or not if your comments are SO radical and primitive? it makes NO DIFFERENCE in you case!

 

 

 especially the comment that "t90 and t72 is same shit" completely brings down all your credibility here, now dont try to seem fancy and stress on first hand experience...

Actually, I gave you plenty of technical explanations. It's not my fault you are too dumb to believe the reasons. A human loader is faster on average. How much more technical do you want to get? You want to calculate the individual arm movements down to the millisecond? Human loaders act as observers, maintenance, can replace injured crew members. Auto loaders do not allow for a armored ammo storage compartment which is why you get so many flipped turrets. You haven't brought up anything other than bitch and moan about how everyone else is wrong.

 

OK, answer this Sherlock. If it can run 200km further, are you planning to run the tank until it goes empty? Well, people in the US army aren't as stupid as you and actually try to keep the fuel close to the forward units as they can. Here's a hint, the refuel points aren't 100km behind the forward lines.

 

And no, Russians have poor air support. They couldn't even get air dominance over Georgia and lost 7 planes in 2 weeks. If you think that is good, then I hope one day you join the Russian military and become a general during WWIII for our sake.

 

And yes, the T90 is basically the T72. Here's the first line from wiki, probably YOUR primary source of information.

 

"The T-90 is a Russian third-generation main battle tank that is a modernisation of the T-72"

So please, stop spamming this board with your utter stupidity.

The West spent enough on tanks to keep up with/exceed the Russians while they spent their real effort on PGMs and other tech that has relegated tanks to a less important place in the scheme of things.

 

I've said it before but I'll say it again.  All history students should read these posts by impotent teenage Russian fanboys.  That way they can understand the zeitgeist in Germany after WW1 that led to Hitler.

 

-Abrams in Iraq did not see any challenge except outdated RPG7 and old T72 with ancient equipment, no active defence, and outdated shells. so stop bragging already.

Your either very uninformed or unintelligent. During the first gulf war Iraq had a lot of T-72M's which where the latest geneation at the time. and they still couldnt engage M-1s because of their limited targeting range. AND as far as ammo goes it irrelevant. Russias ammo points mostly stack ammo on the ground and in the open. After the russians left germany they left their ammo. We found that the russian army had 10x the ammo stock all of the Allies had combined but 90% was rusted and unuseable. Most of the other 10% was iffy. And that is the way most russian ammo points operate.

-Georgians used T-34 to fight Russians is kind of a funniest thing!
Coldstart please put the vodka bottle down and tack a deep breath. When you head clears reread what I said. You are confusing the 2 conflicts. I was refering to the first one almost 20 years ago.

 

BTW just how are the russians doing against the chechens with the worlds most technologically advanced weapons? I dont believe the russians use the same  rules of engagement that ties the american militaries hands yet they cant seem to get the job done. Kind of funny how Putin handed off the war to the locals so he wouldnt have to take the blame for how poorly the military is doing there.

I completely agree with you. And he wasnt in the military anyway, or worse: USA army keeps their soldiers ignorant idiots. Argument "I was in the army and you wasnt" is not worth a penny. Only thing which matters is the data which can be confirmed from the other sources. Its 21 century and the internet is the only reliable source of information. Companies which make tanks and military experts put their data there.