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Subject: Russian T90 vs. US M1A2 Abrams
achtpanz    6/14/2004 3:59:14 AM
Russian T90 vs American M1A2 Abrams - Which is better? If these tanks fought in battle, which would suffer more casualties, which one is superior? What are their advantages? Any information would be helpful.
 
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SantaClaws       3/3/2011 9:03:21 PM

SantaClaws, yesterday you told you have extensive tank experience, then talked something about your wish to attack Russia on your...aircraft? and...im not sure you are just full of shit,its really hard to believe any of you here know what they talk about.


and about that video with guy loading shells! LOL!!!! you know what, you are super stupid!!!!! Damn, dont you see that its not a real combat video? That guy even has time to fix up the camera view, put on gloves without any rush.... its clear that this video is taken with purpose and im 1000% sure there are no enemies around, your granny might even load it faster under such conditions LOL You have idea how well will that guy do if tank is rushing with high speed on non smooth terrain, with other tanks in front of it? How much will he be affected by situation? You ever heard of such things as human factor? No you havent? You want me to believe that all your soldiers are like robots? They do just as same in battlefield as in training?


 

just because of that it puts your credibility much more down! 

 

 

you are a bunch of self confident stupid people. really...

 




Yesterday I said I worked with a MSG who fought in both Gulf Wars and got confirmed kills on T72s in both of them. Go back and read it. Maybe YOU should learn how to read.
 
My granny might load faster? Well, are you suggesting an old lady will load 2x, maybe 3x faster than an auto loader? You want facts I gave them to you. How about YOU SHOW ME someone loading slower than your machine on rolling terrain. Until then, STFU.
 
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heraldabc       3/3/2011 9:18:17 PM
And to someone who mentioned about Finland war, you know that during Finland war Soviet army attacked Mannerheim's defense line under frost of around 50 degree C. With lots of casualties, but the purpose was achieved, no army ever used to perform combat in such a conditions, so its you who STFU! and all other pussies who try to make Russia look as non capable power or country. Morons, what you know?
 
1. Russia was the imperialist aggressor.
2. The Finns used an advanced technology in their mobile defense called skis.
3. The Finns used CRAP US technology called a Brewster Buffalo.
4. The Finns fought in the same weather as the Russians.
5. Remember Grigory Kulik? He was the Russian general who planned the campaign. 300,000+ dead Russians and he LOST..
 
H. 
 
 
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Dmitri514    To ColdStart   3/3/2011 9:56:14 PM
About T-90 atoloader being slower than Abrams loader:
 
According to american sourses the "The Abrams? (M1A2) maximum rate of fire is
about six rounds per min"
//www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/news/1997/4lastmbt.pdf
The T-90 can can load a round in 5?8 seconds thats about 10 rounds per minute.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-90
 
Here
fofanov.armor.kiev.ua/Tanks/ 
is the video of T-90 firing 3 shots in 13 seconds.
 
 
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SantaClaws       3/3/2011 10:01:23 PM
It had one in the chamber, so it only loaded 1 every 6-7 seconds. Fail math much?
 
BTW, the human loader was still doing 4-5. Thanks for proving my point that human loaders are faster.
 
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SantaClaws       3/3/2011 10:07:30 PM
And I'm going to give you an opportunity to prove yourself an even bigger idiot. Do you know the difference between "maximum rate of fire" and" reload time"? because obviously you think they are the same thing.
 
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Dmitri514    To ColdStart   3/3/2011 10:07:34 PM
There is also interesting information that autoloader of new T-90 was modified to fire longer APFSDS rounds and such rounds have been developed //fofanov.armor.kiev.ua/Tanks/ see 3BM-42M.
 
Plus these rounds have 2 point contact sabot with sub caliber fins (which may mean that the range of direct fire will be similar to Abrams gun - up to 3000m)
 
If we take into account 5mm caliber advantage (12% more propellant mass) and that T-90 gun is L-48 compared to Abrams L-44, this should give new  russian round significantly better penetration than the best US rounds. (Some sources talk about 800mm.)
 
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Dmitri514    To Santa   3/3/2011 10:12:30 PM
I said 10 per minute. Cant divide 60 by 10?
 
Plus i wasnt talking to you, idiot.
 
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SantaClaws       3/3/2011 10:18:57 PM
Oh btw, the firing rate of the M256 is classified. Nice try there though, retard.
 
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SantaClaws       3/3/2011 10:26:31 PM
Oh btw, the firing rate of the M256 is classified. Nice try there though, retard.
 
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ColdStart    ok   3/3/2011 10:57:17 PM
to heraldabc.
 
first statement about Russia being an agressor, shut your dirty mouth ok? what about US then? isnt it also agressor for someone? who is the judge? 
 
and about Finlands who fought the way as Russians did, look...idiot...stupid.. retarted... do you realise that Finlands were the ones who were inside well built defense line? they were INSIDE BUNKERS you moron! their bunkers even had hot water, and excellent supply lines! Russians were outside, idiot - OUTSIDE ATTAKING... omg these NATO kids are just so lame.
 
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