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Subject: Russian T90 vs. US M1A2 Abrams
achtpanz    6/14/2004 3:59:14 AM
Russian T90 vs American M1A2 Abrams - Which is better? If these tanks fought in battle, which would suffer more casualties, which one is superior? What are their advantages? Any information would be helpful.
 
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Kevbo       3/3/2011 11:05:46 PM

How on earth come you tell about poor quality, weak armor of T90? Are you an expert? What do you know about steel composition itself? About how the armor is made? I bet you barely got B in chemistry, but here you throw out a "professional" statements about how better its armor is... No seriously lots of people here are just crazy! In my previous post i already pointed out very badly to someone who was talking about control systems and CPUs of Abrams... Now more experts are coming to just shout out about superiority of Abrams... LoL Are you guys ignorant self confident egos? Or what? And who on earth decided that Abrams is a western standard to which everyone must obey? Abrams is just another tank! Im not gona say its bad or not good etc, but its obviously not better than T90 at all... why? go back ~messages, want to argue? - bring up facts and technical arguments... such stupidity as "more superior armor, better protection, better computers, better control systems" dont count! BRING UP FACTS! numbers! or technical facts available for observation and judgment of both machines! Dont bring up your stupid ghost ideas, thats not interesting at all!

Wow were to start, I'm not use to arguing at a child's level but I will try to put this in terms you can understand.
 
Let's start with your illusion that Russian technology is equal to US or any other Western nation for that matter. Lets look at some simple facts.
- Historically when Russian equipment is captures by the US and analysed it is discovered that it is at least a generation if not 2 or 3 behind the current US equipment.
-  Of the top 70 Super computers in the world the US Owns 30 of them, Russia owns 1.
-  The Top technology companies in the world are predominantly US owned. Intel, AMD, HP, IBM, ect... Of the top 46 technology companies in the world 14 of them are US, none of them are Russian.
- Russia's GNP is 1/14th that of the US's and they can't even afford basic maintenance of their arm forces.
- Over the last 40 years when US and Russian have met in combat the US equipment has always prevailed, usually in dramatic fashion.
 
Now realise that there is no real test comparison of these systems so one must look at the state of the countries making these systems and the results of battles with these systems. based on the facts above and the ass kicking US equipment gave Russian equipment in Iraq it is very safe to say that the US electronics in the M-1 are vastly superior to those in the T-90. Russia does not have the technical capabilities, money or expertise to match US equipment. This is not meant to be degrading to Russia but is a simple matter of fact. Russia has some pretty bright people but not the technology and expertise to take advantage of them.
 
 
 
 
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heraldabc       3/3/2011 11:26:57 PM
Russia was a imperialist, bloodthirsty, brutal, mass murdering criminal aggressor state, right up to its neck in international war crimes with Hitlerite Germany with whom at the time it was an ALLY. Nothing has changed those crimes or that history.
 
Stalin was as great a criminal as Hitler, worse in my book in that he stabbed all of his allies in the back and even betrayed his own people. The regime he headed was our anvil on which to break Hitlerite Germany, but make no mistake. I spit on Stalin and that regime, and everything they actually did and stood for.               
to heraldabc.

 

first statement about Russia being an agressor, shut your dirty mouth ok? what about US then? isnt it also agressor for someone? who is the judge? 

I am.

and about Finlands who fought the way as Russians did, look...idiot...stupid.. retarted... do you realise that Finlands were the ones who were inside well built defense line? they were INSIDE BUNKERS you moron! their bunkers even had hot water, and excellent supply lines! Russians were outside, idiot - OUTSIDE ATTAKING... omg these NATO kids are just so lame.
 
They were inside bunkers?
 
 


 
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ColdStart       3/4/2011 12:09:06 AM
you are the judge? lol....you are a piece of sh!t chicken hearted dubm jackass.
 
sorry if thats was rude but thats the way the response should be to people giving such an answers.
 
 
 
and about Finland, they were MAINLY in bunkers, and sometimes mobile groups on skiis.
 
and dont talk much about Russia. Russian army and soldiers defended its country and knew what means honor and bravery much earlier than you was even a piece of cum on your dad's d!ck. you are noone to say such things about another country, not only Russia but any other. cunt.
 
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ColdStart    to Kevbo   3/4/2011 3:09:09 AM
And to you moron, Russians were first to be space pioneers, and the first helicopter in the world made for USAF was done by Russian guy. so wtf you here talking how advanced you always were? fool! do you know how many Russians work even now in your military industry? especially within missile design area... damn...one idiot is on top of another here.
 
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ColdStart    to Kevbo   3/4/2011 3:10:51 AM
you yourself probably wont be able to solve ordinary differential equation, and here you talk about technology, fatass dumb primitive creature.
 
who else gona throw out some shit? go ahead lets see.
 
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ColdStart    to Kevbo   3/4/2011 3:17:06 AM
supercomputers... idiot... each specific application requires specific computer system, sometimes the complexity of that computer system can be much less than your PC's CPU, BUT it has specific circuit solutions which allow the system to perform some special functions but much faster than very expencive computer system or server.
 
this is called custom engineering, or embedded system with application specific circuitry. The fact that you buy and build up 30 or 300 supercomputers does not help much in weapon systems design.
 
i have seen some western engineers who utilized very expencive CPus in their design, but at the end their total system still performed like shit. so the fact that they used high end CPU did not help.
 
but im probably wasting my time typing this cuz you are so much stupid u'd never get it.... 
 
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ColdStart    to Kevbo   3/4/2011 3:27:03 AM
lol even another guy here who seems Russian to me told he works for Intel, probably makes processors on which you run your M$ windows and use it to write dirty things about Russians. what a shame. cunt.
 
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SantaClaws       3/4/2011 5:39:43 AM

And to you moron, Russians were first to be space pioneers, and the first helicopter in the world made for USAF was done by Russian guy. so wtf you here talking how advanced you always were? fool! do you know how many Russians work even now in your military industry? especially within missile design area... damn...one idiot is on top of another here.

Funny. Sikorsky didn't make the first helicopter. Two, he was educated in France. Three, Sikorsky was a US citizen. Apparently, Russia was a such a great country he immigrated from there and decided never to go back because Russia provided such a wealth of opportunities for him (sarcasm). Basically the only thing you can claim was that he was born there.
 
I'm going to say the same thing about your comment that Russians work in our military industry. If they have access to that information, then they are Russian in last name only. Idiot.
 
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heraldabc       3/4/2011 7:43:52 AM
I don't discuss things with the ignorant, morally bankrupt, and incompetent.  YOU are these things. Go through life, knowing that you have revealed this about yourself. I hope that you realize that you are an actual disgrace to the modern Russian who emerges from the pile of manure that was Stalinist Russia.
 
As for the rapists and murderers of that era.
 
 
Katyn     
 

Then there was Romania, Hungary, Bulgaria and anywhere else there was no one to stand against the Red Army.Millions died in those atrocities.   

Knowing what I do about the total extent if those atrocities and Stalin's and Russian tactical military incompetence in general, where the Human wave infantry assault was a viable maneuver, I think there is a high statistical chance that your own grandfather was one of  those war criminals and a mere statistical chance survivor of Stalin's regime. That says something, about YOU doesn't it? 
you are the judge? lol....you are a piece of sh!t chicken hearted dubm jackass.

 

sorry if thats was rude but thats the way the response should be to people giving such an answers.

 

 

 

and about Finland, they were MAINLY in bunkers, and sometimes mobile groups on skiis.


 

and dont talk much about Russia. Russian army and soldiers defended its country and knew what means honor and bravery much earlier than you was even a piece of cum on your dad's d!ck. you are noone to say such things about another country, not only Russia but any other. cunt.


As for my father and grandfather, they fought in a disciplined army of a civilized state as MEN. My own experience against criminals, like your ancestors, was not in uniform. I found a much better way to stop such bandits. Not everyone who opposes criminal communist regimes was or is a soldier as you fantasize it. Some of us make the tools.
 
So you see, I already judged that regime (and people like you) and made you my life's work.
 
How's that impotent feeling you experience? Isn't it frustrating to know that your own ancestor(s) was(were) probably a war criminal and one of those rapist murderers? What an honor that must be, to be a mere common descent Stalinist war machine statistic. Facts are stubborn that way. THAT is your true ancestry and heritage.  Now accept it, try to rise above it, by accepting the responsibility for it. Become a moral Human being and live as one, instead of the whiny little paranoid you come across here as. After all there are actual Russian achievements of which to be proud., Right now, you just are not one of them. 
 
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ColdStart    to Kevbo   3/4/2011 10:36:31 AM
oh really? USA was the only country up until now by the way who used two times nuclear weapons against country who doesnt have that! what about that? and now you say Russians are so evil and you western people are angels and you call yourself MEN? hahaha!!
 
im sure people who would hear it would laugh at it so much... moron... how many innocent people your army killed during all wars? especially during wars against weak countries? shut up and dont talk about high morale! it does not apply to you.
 
 
 
and to SantaClaws: i personally know people who work in engineering industry for military in US. you wanted to convince me that only US people work there? ...no... well and there are some other nations contributing as well...
 
also dont forget that it was Von Braun who showed you how to build missile. And about sikorsky, he was US citizen because your gov gave citizenship to him, but he was Soviet guy.... the one whoom you guys consider not smart and non capable... and yes the first helicopter was his helicopter, you stupid moron, you are not even educated and dont know the facts! the first idea of helicopter was proposed very long time ago by leonardo Davinci, but that was just an idea and drawings. But Sikorsky, was the first guy in world who actually built flying heli. 
 
And also, Sikorsky studied in Russian Naval academy and Kiev Polytechnic institute as well, and between that in Paris, but how many people studied in Paris? Every one who graduated could build something unique? what an idiotic statement you gave.... lol... im sure if you'd study in best academy in the world you wont be anything much after graduation (if u graduate at all).
 
and at that time it was common, it is known that some of the german tank commanders have been studying in Russian Kazansk Tanks school...so what? it doesnt matter where you study, it matters what your personality and internal skills are.
 
But of course, since you people here uneducated idiots you wont know that. You will continue admitting that Russians are non capable and evil and not smart. But the fact stays the fact! You cant omit what exists!
 
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