Military History
|
How To Make War
|
Wars Around the World
Rules of Use
How to Behave on an Internet Forum
Procurement
Discussion Board
Return to Topic Page
Subject:
The Last MiG-21s in Europe
SYSOP
5/31/2023 6:03:51 AM
Quote
Reply
Show Only Poster Name and Title
Newest to Oldest
Toryu88
6/4/2023 8:19:29 AM
The F-35 is a gilded turd. Sure it looks good on paper but why shouldn't it? It costs tend time that of proven aircraft it is replacing and its cost will mean it is procured in pitiful numbers. If we go to China we will lose in the air, for the same reason that the Germans lost to the Allies in the 1940s. Quantity has a quality all its own. The German jets were far superior to the German jets, but our old prop planes were still able to shoot them down in large numbers. Chuck Yeager flying a P-51 prop job, said it best, "The first German Jet I saw, I shot down." The Chinese will mob the handful of Navy F-35s that are not destroyed on their carriers when they are sunk. The surviving USAF F-35s that are not destroyed on the ground by SOF in the continental US will be mobbed by hordes of less capable Chinese aircraft. The F-35s could shoot down a dozen Chinese jets per aircraft lost and we'd still lose the air war through attrition. All wars are wars of attrition. The US Military seems to have lost sight of that fact. It seems that the Pentagon has convinced itself that its won all the wars its fought since Korea. That was a tie. Vietnam was a loss, Afghanistan was a loss, Iraq was a win, but a loss against the resulting insurgency. We had air superiority in all those wars. The next one we won't. So the Pentagon is operating under a self delusion. It is imposing on itself a limitation in numbers due to cost because it thinks technology will give it victory. Well, high tech hasn't won in the past when our technological superiority was lopsided in our favor. So why do they think we'll win against a numerically superior foe, with only a marginally less technologically inferior force? In the 1980s the Pentagon had it right. They bought a lesser number of high dollar fighters (F-15 and F-14) and a greater number of less expensive and affordable less capable fighters (F-16) to back them up. I guess the new generation of Pentagon flunkies are too hypnotized by expensive bright shiny objects and missed the lesson.
Quote
Reply
Latest
News
Most
Read
Most
Commented
Hot
Topics
WEAPONS: Unjammable Wire Controlled UAVs
RUSSIA: Russia Claims a Lot More Than Ukraine
ARMOR: Russia Rebuilds Its Tank Forces
ARTILLERY: Fire Weaver and Long Spike
ARMOR: Evolution of Tank Warfare in Ukraine
SURFACE FORCES : Ada Class Corvettes
ARMOR: Evolution of Tank Warfare in Ukraine
WEAPONS: Putting a Spike in North Korean Aggression
AIR WEAPONS: The Ukraine Unmanned Systems Force
PROCUREMENT: The Russian Smuggling Industry
AFGHANISTAN: Afghanistan March 2024
ATTRITION: Patterns of American Combat Casualties
ELECTRONIC WEAPONS: Norway Again Attacked by Russian Jamming
SURFACE FORCES : Unmanned LUSV Ships at Sea
MURPHY'S LAW: China Harasses Foreign Investment it Encouraged
PROCUREMENT: Russian Demand and North Korean Arms Production
PROCUREMENT: Russian Demand and North Korean Arms Production
WARPLANES: F22 Gets an End Date
ARTILLERY: More Truck Mounted Artillery for Ukraine
SPACE: Russian Roscosmos Retreating
INTELLIGENCE: Americans Use AI to Plan Airstrikes
SPACE: Russian Roscosmos Retreating
ARTILLERY: More Truck Mounted Artillery for Ukraine
AIR DEFENSE: Russian Air Defense Tries Something New
SUBMARINES: Stumbling Through Submarine Repairs
SPECIAL OPERATIONS: A Decade of CIA Operations in Ukraine
SURFACE FORCES : Despised LCS Survives with Upgrades
SYRIA: Syria March 2024
WARPLANES: F-35 Aircraft in Action
LEADERSHIP: Russia’s Wartime Economic Crisis
Subscribe to Our RSS Feed
Artillery: Artillery Ammunition Quality and Quantity
Surface Forces: Russian Black Sea Fleet Disappears
WARS Russia: Can Russia Continue the War After 2024?
Armor: K2 Tanks For Everyone
WARS China: China Needs South Korea More Than North Korea
Surface Forces: Naval Reload Realities
WARS Korea: Korea March 2024
Air Weapons: Dealing With FPV UAVs
Special Operations: Somali Pirates are Back
Logistics: The Black Sea Blockade
Procurement: Ukraine War Crippled Russian Arms Exports
Attrition: Russian Losses so Far in Ukraine
Procurement: French Support for Ukraine
NBC Weapons: Chinese Biowar Laboratories in California
Procurement: 3D Printers For Ukraine
Air Defense: NASAMS Under Fire
NBC WEAPONS: Chinese Biowar Laboratories in California
PROCUREMENT: French Support for Ukraine
ATTRITION: Russian Losses so Far in Ukraine
RUSSIA: Can Russia Continue the War After 2024?
ARTILLERY: Artillery Ammunition Quality and Quantity
SURFACE FORCES : Naval Reload Realities
ARMOR: K2 Tanks For Everyone
AIR WEAPONS: Dealing With FPV UAVs
PROCUREMENT: Ukraine War Crippled Russian Arms Exports
AIR DEFENSE: NASAMS Under Fire
PROCUREMENT: French Support for Ukraine
LOGISTICS: The Black Sea Blockade
PROCUREMENT: Ukraine War Crippled Russian Arms Exports
PROCUREMENT: Ukraine War Crippled Russian Arms Exports
PROCUREMENT: Ukraine War Crippled Russian Arms Exports
PROCUREMENT: Ukraine War Crippled Russian Arms Exports
PROCUREMENT: Ukraine War Crippled Russian Arms Exports
KOREA: Korea March 2024
SPECIAL OPERATIONS: Somali Pirates are Back
CHINA: China Needs South Korea More Than North Korea
Russia: Can Russia Continue the War After 2024?
Russia: Russia Claims a Lot More Than Ukraine
Procurement: French Support for Ukraine
Attrition: Russian Losses so Far in Ukraine
Artillery: Artillery Ammunition Quality and Quantity
Weapons of the World: Unjammable Wire Controlled UAVs
Surface Forces: Naval Reload Realities
Procurement: Ukraine War Crippled Russian Arms Exports
Armor: Russia Rebuilds Its Tank Forces
News
How To Make War
Wars Around The World
Austin Bay's On Point
StrategyTalk
Dirty Little Secrets
Features
Al Nofi's CIC
Videos
Photos
Jokes
Community
Military Discussion Boards
Military Jokes
Military Photos
Military Book Reviews
StrategyPage
Account Manager
Login
Feedback
About Us
Search
Advertise With Us
Search