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Subject: Next Generation Shuttle
PowerPointRanger    2/19/2007 1:01:44 AM
A shuttle replacement is long overdue. When built, the shuttle had a projected failure rate of 2%. This has been s fairly accurate prediction. But if we're going to have routine manned traffic into space, 2% is not simply not good enough. So what's next?
 
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brizzydude       2/19/2007 1:10:16 AM

Something like this......  looks like they may be steering away from the shuttle style design - but we'll have to wait and see.

 

Lockheed Martin Selected for Orion Crew Exploration Vehicle
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Today, NASA announced that Lockheed Martin has been selected to design and build the Orion Crew Exploration Vehicle (CEV).

Honeywell will provide a major portion of the avionics hardware and software for command and data handling, displays and controls, system management and absolute navigation, logistics, communications and ground operations support. This includes two-fault tolerant, open architecture solution which is based on four generations of integrated modular avionics, providing the safest and most sustainable approach for NASA’s next generation spacecraft.

Beginning in 2007, Honeywell will deliver the first flight test products to Lockheed Martin. The long-term program includes: vehicle design, development, test and evaluation with options for production into 2019. 

Orion will play a vital role in the Nation's Vision for Space Exploration which includes safe crew transport to the International Space Station (ISS), the Moon and Mars and beyond. Orion is expected to have a crewed mission by 2012 or earlier. 

 
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PowerPointRanger    Safer   2/21/2007 7:07:48 PM
It's my understanding that the new vehicle will project a failure rate of 1 in 10,000 flights.  I'm skeptical that this number can be achieved, given how complicated and dangerous the task is.  However, even if it's 1 in 100 flights, it's still an improvement.
 
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reefdiver       2/21/2007 10:04:07 PM
I find myself disappointed that the Orion Crew Exploration Vehicle is basically just a scaled up Apollo vehicle. I've no doubt it will work fine, and will include tech many tech advances,  I was really hoping to see a next generation shuttle using new and more durable sophisticated heat shield technology and advanced systems for navigation, propulsion, and flight. I'd love to have seen a single stage to orbit system - such as the proposed linear aerospike engined Venture Star.  Instead, experiences with the shuttle appear to have only frightened NASA from building another such complex machine. They've been frightened back 30 years instead of forward. Risk management has taken over so much that they'll give up the large capacity and capability of a shuttle sized and class machine.  I consider it a bad sign for NASA.  My main hope for the future of space is that carbon nano-tube fabrics will quickly develop to the point they can be used for the proposed Space Elevator.
 
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scuttlebut steve    RIP X33   2/21/2007 10:43:13 PM
I still wonder if they gave up on the Venturestar prematurely.  man that would have been great if we could have built a fleet of em'
 
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reefdiver       2/22/2007 10:29:40 PM

I still wonder if they gave up on the Venturestar prematurely.  man that would have been great if we could have built a fleet of em'


I think the VentureStar is quite dead. The problems with reengineering the liquid hydrogen fuel tanks from composites to aluminum and the resultant issues killed it. Wonder if they might have better luck with nano-tube fabric composites for the tanks in the near future?  Interestingly, the engines appeared to work quite well. A tragedy here is that NASA used to be about constantly advancing technology - which benefited all of us. I'm still disappointed they scrapped the VentureStar.
 
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scuttlebut steve       3/8/2007 1:39:01 AM
The worst part of it was that initially when they cancelled the venturestar program they didnt nominate an interim shuttle replacement, and NASA stated that the current shuttle fleet would be just fine for the forseeable future.  Then maybe 2 or 3 years later the columbia disentigrates (shuttles expected 98-99% survivability and that was the second disaster in 114 or so launches) and suddenly the space shuttle is an obsolete death trap, NASA has had to start from scratch designing a replacement, and our scientific and military growth in space has been reduced ever since.
 
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