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Subject: The truth about the 5.56mm round
TriggaFingaz    1/24/2004 1:51:19 PM
To all infantrymen and gunusers out there , tell me this: is the 5.56x45mm round an effective round or is it so weak that you need more than one shot to drop a man? Some books say that it is absolutely lethal, able to stop one's heart owing to sheer velocity. Other accounts claim that enemy soldiers hit with this round continue charging. Some books claim it will tumble and dig multiple wound channels in the body, detractors claim it drills straight though people but yet has poor anti-material penetration. Which is more accurate? Please specify whether you used M193 or M855 'green tips'.
 
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DrillSergeant    RE:6.8 vs. 5.56   9/23/2004 8:17:33 PM
What humors me is how the government and all of these contractors spend millions and millions on wasted military projects that never get put into production, instead of solving the core problem of our main battle rifle... the 5.56 cartridge. I strongly believe that at least a 6mm should be adopted like the 243 Win or the 6.8. If some of you would have personaly talked to soldiers that have fought in Afganistan and Iraq and asked them about the M-16/M-4 you would have heard like I have, that most were not happy with the performace of the 5.56mm.
 
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Ehran    RE:Canadian tallies   9/23/2004 11:34:49 PM
Maybe Canadians train more in marksmanship? i believe they do. at least the qualifying standards are appreciably higher for canadian infantry. And also, if Canada's ratio is 1.7:1, then either they are damn fine machine gunners, or they don't do much area suppression fire. well if you're gonna drag the details out pretty much all the canadian shooting has been done by the sniper teams. the reg force guys haven't had diddly for shootable contacts. Perhaps it all boils down to firing discipline. this is a factor alright. we don't use suppression fire as much as americans seem to.
 
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Ehran    RE:Hague Convention   9/23/2004 11:41:40 PM
shooter the GC if you read it does not only protect uniformed soldiers. there are provisions in there regarding militias etc. as for the bomb tests in the sw of the us the vast majority of them were underground tests which released very marginal amounts of radioactive materials into the atmosphere. a rather different proposition from bombing allegedly al qaida camps and letting the prevailing winds blow the fallout across some very densely populated and "used" to be friendly areas. i expect the indian gov't would have had harsh words for the us had that happened.
 
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Ehran    RE:Canadian tallies   9/23/2004 11:44:34 PM
The Canadians have mostly sent their top units over there including snipers. Visigoth the guys we sent over are about par for active service canadian soldiers. they just happened to be the next btn available. the snipers were the first string though.
 
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andyf    dealing with the terrorists   9/24/2004 11:48:15 AM
how about simply pulling out, detonating a high altitude nuke over the country , and EMP them back into the 1870's? if they dont want to be civilized, who are we to force em?
 
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Ehran    RE:dealing with the terrorists   9/24/2004 3:42:04 PM
does kinda po the 99.8% of the population that wasn't involved i would imagine. plus it might inhibit the ability of your oil companies to make a buck there.
 
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VisigothCSA    RE:dealing with the terrorists   9/24/2004 10:14:16 PM
Most of them aren't much beyond the 1870's as it is. The best thing to do would be to cut them off from all money from oil and international aid. As for the oil companies making a buck there, that might be true if the arabs had not nationalized the means of production years ago. The profits they make now are only what is on top of what the arabs and other charge for the oil. There is new technology that could convert carbon based wastes (garbage, sewage, farm waste, etc.)into petroleum products. What we have spent on Iraq could have gone toward starting the infrastructure of such a system, which would have made the US not only self-suficient in oil, but made it a net-exporter again. At the same time, the Middle East coul dhave been left to wither on the vine.
 
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Ehran    RE:dealing with the terrorists   9/25/2004 9:02:41 PM
i think we would be a lot better off moving to a hydrogen based economy at least for cars and the like rather than creating more hydrocarbons. It should appreciably lower the amount of crap in the air especially in urban areas. education and economic reform are the best long term solution to the current mess. it's not going to help with the current crop of terrorists but it should help choke off the next gen recruiting.
 
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fezz    RE:Bodyguard choices in Iraq   10/1/2004 10:29:44 PM
I have worked in North and South Iraq as a PSD and have found the AK and 7.62 short(Russian),to be the best for close and mid distance engagements! Target 'WILL' fall when hit! If your Ak is rusty when you get it, just chuck it in a bowl of warm diesel and oil (10:1) for 20 minutes or so! Works wonders :-) Accuracy is down to training!!
 
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Yimmy    RE:Bodyguard choices in Iraq   10/2/2004 10:09:07 AM
PSD?
 
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