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Foregrips yay or nay
theBird
1/31/2008 8:36:58 PM
Just wanted to know what everyones opinion is on Foregrips on assault rifles and submachine guns. Most who have used that I've talked to have either loved them or hated them. Also I was wondering what effect they have for controling recoil or bringing a weapon to bear quickly as well as if they present problems shooting in the prone.
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YelliChink
1/31/2008 8:51:11 PM
Yay on SMG or SBR for close quarter combat. Nay for 20" barrel rifle in open fields.
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bob the brit
2/1/2008 12:25:34 PM
Just wanted to know what everyones opinion is on Foregrips on assault rifles and submachine guns. Most who have used that I've talked to have either loved them or hated them. Also I was wondering what effect they have for controling recoil or bringing a weapon to bear quickly as well as if they present problems shooting in the prone.
I think you hit the nail on the head by saying it's a love/hate question [in all my experiences, it's been the same, there was never an inbetween]. I myself have never been too fussy with them as I found they did nothing to improve my handling [i.e. I found no difference in bringing a gun to bear]. Nor did I find any difference with controlling recalled. As for presenting a problem while shooting prone, I don't think that ever occured as the grip never came further down [on a level plane] than either the magazine or the handgrip.
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Herald12345
Don't like them.
2/1/2008 1:07:46 PM
Possible HFE reason? Point and control.
The elbow makes a good prop point for prone firing a rifle or carbine.
Personal HFE opinion, as well,. point control with a fore-rest under the barrel is more "natural" to the brachiating architecture still found in the Human arm. Our arms and hands bend more comfortably to handle a tube shaped mass at roughly 75 degrees to each other than in parallel. You can hold that mass tucked in more tightly into you than gripping it by a pair of "handles".
Try it both ways. You instinctively pull the buttstock into your shoulder to support when you grip the fore-rest. If you use a post grip the rifle or the carbine just sort of hangs on your hands. One pistol grip is enough.
CREF example: the Thompson SMG. One of the "improvements" was to get rid of the foregrip.
Herald
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Horsesoldier
2/1/2008 3:02:50 PM
Personally, I like them for CQC sort of ranges and shooting techniques (boxer stance, elbows tucked in tight, etc.) but they're not necessary even for that. The main benefit I see with them personally is driving the gun back on target or keeping it on target when shooting fast.
Like Bob the Brit said, they don't present a problem in the prone, but don't help much either. (Unless you've got a Grip-Pod with built in bipod). I use a Grip Pod on my issue weapon these days, and have to say I prefer that format's thicker vertical forward grip to the issue model or some of the angle, second (actual) pistol grips some guys run.
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benellim4
2/3/2008 3:45:25 PM
Tried them and didn't like them for various reasons.
The final nail in the coffin was watching Larry Vickers run an HK416 without one. He was sacrificing neither speed nor accuracy. His take was that VFGs are a necessity when you have a bunch of doodads hanging off the front of your rifle; otherwise, they're not necessary or even desired.
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