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Necromancer    4/27/2009 3:21:00 AM
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strat-T21C       4/27/2009 3:47:23 PM

FYI
LTTE is soon to be history.

 
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smitty237       4/28/2009 4:10:37 AM
Congrats to the Sri Lankan military, but I fear that the LTTE will simply go underground and begin a clandestine guerrilla and terrorist campaign.  Almost any time a guerilla army goes conventional they end up getting their ass kicked in the long run.  Their are exceptions, of course, but few insurgent groups are able to cunduct a conventional war and come out victorious.  For the record, I think the better group won this one.
 
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Necromancer    Smitty   4/29/2009 1:38:22 AM

Congrats to the Sri Lankan military, but I fear that the LTTE will simply go underground and begin a clandestine guerrilla and terrorist campaign.  Almost any time a guerilla army goes conventional they end up getting their ass kicked in the long run.  Their are exceptions, of course, but few insurgent groups are able to cunduct a conventional war and come out victorious.  For the record, I think the better group won this one.


The Buddhist majority r not very nice either "better" here is subjective. Smitty judging from ur gun loving and freedom luving ways if u were a Tamil u would probably be an LTTE cadet. Sure the LTTE is a terrorist group, but it doesn't have support for no reason. Think IRA.
 
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strat-T21C       4/29/2009 3:45:25 PM



Congrats to the Sri Lankan military, but I fear that the LTTE will simply go underground and begin a clandestine guerrilla and terrorist campaign.  Almost any time a guerilla army goes conventional they end up getting their ass kicked in the long run.  Their are exceptions, of course, but few insurgent groups are able to cunduct a conventional war and come out victorious.  For the record, I think the better group won this one.






The Buddhist majority r not very nice either "better" here is subjective. Smitty judging from ur gun loving and freedom luving ways if u were a Tamil u would probably be an LTTE cadet. Sure the LTTE is a terrorist group, but it doesn't have support for no reason. Think IRA.

It is supported by lots of Tamils in India, to stop this terrorist movment the Indian gov't to get involved as well.
 
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smitty237    Necro   4/30/2009 5:55:14 PM



Congrats to the Sri Lankan military, but I fear that the LTTE will simply go underground and begin a clandestine guerrilla and terrorist campaign.  Almost any time a guerilla army goes conventional they end up getting their ass kicked in the long run.  Their are exceptions, of course, but few insurgent groups are able to cunduct a conventional war and come out victorious.  For the record, I think the better group won this one.






The Buddhist majority r not very nice either "better" here is subjective. Smitty judging from ur gun loving and freedom luving ways if u were a Tamil u would probably be an LTTE cadet. Sure the LTTE is a terrorist group, but it doesn't have support for no reason. Think IRA.

Of course it's subjective.  I was merely stating my opinion, which was that the LTTE were the bad (maybe "baddest") guys in this fight and deserved to lose.  This is not a statement on the Tamils or the discrimination they face.  Lots of groups have faced discrimination in history, but not all of them have use terrorism to achieve freedom or self determination.  You need to look no further than the Civil Rights struggle in the United States to see how a group can fight discrimination and predjudice without resorting to terrorism or even violence.  Before you dismiss this as being culturally irrelevant, please remember that non violent civil disobedience helped kick the Brits out of India sixty years ago.  I firmly believe that the Palestinians could turn the tide against the Israelis tomorrow if they stopped launching mortars and blowing themselves up in Israeli pizzerias and borrowed a page from Martin Luther King and Gandhi.  A couple of news shots of young Palestinians holding hands, sitting in front of an Israeli Army checkpoint singing "We Shall Overcome" in Arabic would force the Israelis to accept a Palestinian state because world opinion would demand it.  Unfortunately for the Palestinian people the only champions for them are people that believe that Israel should be destroyed and that murdering innocent Israeli women and children will guarantee them a trip to heaven.  The same goes for the IRA. 
Carrying a firearm is part of my job, so I am well aware of the risks and consequence of violence.  Violent rebellion and its evil stepsister terrorism are an option available to all oppressed minorities in the world.  Sometimes violence is the only answer, but as we've seen so many times in history, it doesn't only work out and a group may find itself even worse off than it was before.  I had to sound like a left wing Lib, but sometimes it's best to give peace a chance first. 
 
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Necromancer    Smitty u r a closet liberal lol   5/1/2009 2:38:18 AM
A little history behind the Tamil movement, the trouble started in 1979 and some of the leaders of the LTTE had theirrelatives shot in front of their eyes, slaughter and second class citizen status of Tamils was a norm. Hence LTTE was born. Your bringing up Thoreau type civil disobidience practitioners like King and Gandhi makes great press and movies, but not much else. Take Gandhi, he was fighting Britrish rule and primarily after ww2 (in fact he supported British empire in WW2 against Hitler) and the British were certainly not evil or treated ordinary Indians any different from how Indian elites treated Indian orenary folks. ALso the British were smart in abandoning India (look how they hung on in South Africa, apartheid and all-- diamonds galore) the communists were gaining, India was too big to manage and frankly tea and spices are not that profitable. Frankly as much as Gandhi won, the British let it happen into an acceptable solution- the best alternative to direct English rule. Martin Luther was fighting racism in a society where frankly the Black minority would lose if they took up arms, though they had justification. It was prudent. I was glad it was resolved without taking to the gun, but thats in my view also due to the impossibility of an armed struggle by Blacks to succeed (amongst other reasons, like good Black leadership and an accomodating foe in the American system). LTTE had a chance to win an armed struggle and took the path of least resistance and they did win, but subsequent mis-steps and an encounter with India left them handicapped. What would you suggest Sri Lankan Tamils do now? India has no choice but to invade, did u know most of India's nuke scientists are Tamil?
 
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Necromancer    Curious Smitty   5/1/2009 2:40:52 AM
Did u support operation freedom Iraq??
 
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Necromancer    strat Canada is involved too   5/1/2009 2:53:41 AM







Congrats to the Sri Lankan military, but I fear that the LTTE will simply go underground and begin a clandestine guerrilla and terrorist campaign.  Almost any time a guerilla army goes conventional they end up getting their ass kicked in the long run.  Their are exceptions, of course, but few insurgent groups are able to cunduct a conventional war and come out victorious.  For the record, I think the better group won this one.














The Buddhist majority r not very nice either "better" here is subjective. Smitty judging from ur gun loving and freedom luving ways if u were a Tamil u would probably be an LTTE cadet. Sure the LTTE is a terrorist group, but it doesn't have support for no reason. Think IRA.




It is supported by lots of Tamils in India, to stop this terrorist movment the Indian gov't to get involved as well.


Canada gave 10,s of thousands of Tamils asylum. They probably finance more than the average Indian Tamil. Tamil refugees can now befound in fishing villages in Italy!!! The Tamils are a very hardworking educated group of people.
 
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smitty237       5/1/2009 1:10:11 PM

A little history behind the Tamil movement, the trouble started in 1979 and some of the leaders of the LTTE had theirrelatives shot in front of their eyes, slaughter and second class citizen status of Tamils was a norm. Hence LTTE was born. Your bringing up Thoreau type civil disobidience practitioners like King and Gandhi makes great press and movies, but not much else. Take Gandhi, he was fighting Britrish rule and primarily after ww2 (in fact he supported British empire in WW2 against Hitler) and the British were certainly not evil or treated ordinary Indians any different from how Indian elites treated Indian orenary folks. ALso the British were smart in abandoning India (look how they hung on in South Africa, apartheid and all-- diamonds galore) the communists were gaining, India was too big to manage and frankly tea and spices are not that profitable. Frankly as much as Gandhi won, the British let it happen into an acceptable solution- the best alternative to direct English rule. Martin Luther was fighting racism in a society where frankly the Black minority would lose if they took up arms, though they had justification. It was prudent. I was glad it was resolved without taking to the gun, but thats in my view also due to the impossibility of an armed struggle by Blacks to succeed (amongst other reasons, like good Black leadership and an accomodating foe in the American system). LTTE had a chance to win an armed struggle and took the path of least resistance and they did win, but subsequent mis-steps and an encounter with India left them handicapped. What would you suggest Sri Lankan Tamils do now? India has no choice but to invade, did u know most of India's nuke scientists are Tamil?

Not a liberal at all, just a pragmatist.  Like I said before, I'm not saying that the Tamils don't have a legitimate cause.  What I'm saying is that the LTTE were the wrong champions for the Tamil people.  Not only were they terrorists, they also brutalized the people they were supposed to be protecting, and are using some 50,000 innocent Tamil civilians as human shields to protect their own asses.  Nice revisionist history on India and the Civil Rights struggle in the United States, but it is heavily influenced by the benefit of hindsight.  Many Indians were killed by both British troops and other Indians before the Brits finally decided to withdraw, and there were many blacks in the United States that argued for armed rebellion to fight discrimination (remember the Black Panthers and "..by any means necessary"?).  The success of peaceful disobedience was nowhere near a sure thing at the time.  
Once the LTTE is defeated the onus will be on the Sinhalese majority in Sri Lankans to prevent another Tamil uprising in the future.  The best way to do that is to work toward eliminating the reasons to rebel, namely treating the Tamils fairly and providing them equal protection under the law.  If they start seeking retribution on the Tamils and continue treating them as second class citizens then the Tamils will push back once again, and  maybe the next time they'll win. 
 
Finally, don't toy with me, Herc.  You started this thread, but left it wide open by only writing the letters "FYI" under the topic.  If you wanted to discuss how sad it is that the LTTE got its butt kicked and now the poor Tamil are going to get pushed around then you should have said so and let the thread take its course from there.  Instead you waited until someone made a comment you didn't agree with and then pounced in your usual condescending fashion.  My opinions on Operation Iraqi Freedom have nothing to do with the Sri Lankans beating the LTTE, so I'm not going to let you change the topic or coax me into a pointless debate on OIF (or pretty much anything else) on this thread.  If you want to talk about Operation Iraqi Freedom, then start a thread about it, but you might want to have more than a title and "FYI" if you really want a discussion. 
 
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strat-T21C       5/1/2009 1:34:18 PM















Congrats to the Sri Lankan military, but I fear that the LTTE will simply go underground and begin a clandestine guerrilla and terrorist campaign.  Almost any time a guerilla army goes conventional they end up getting their ass kicked in the long run.  Their are exceptions, of course, but few insurgent groups are able to cunduct a conventional war and come out victorious.  For the record, I think the better group won this one.






























The Buddhist majority r not very nice either "better" here is subjective. Smitty judging from ur gun loving and freedom luving ways if u were a Tamil u would probably be an LTTE cadet. Sure the LTTE is a terrorist group, but it doesn't have support for no reason. Think IRA.










It is supported by lots of Tamils in India, to stop this terrorist movment the Indian gov't to get involved as well.






Canada gave 10,s of thousands of Tamils asylum. They probably finance more than the average Indian Tamil. Tamil refugees can now befound in fishing villages in Italy!!! The Tamils are a very hardworking educated group of people.

That is a fact. A lot of Tamil's who came here as refugees live in and around Montreal. The Fed Gov't finally declared the Tamil Tiger movment a terroist org some years ago. The Tamil Tiger cash collecters were extorting the average Tamil family for funds for a while till the foot came down.

 
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