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Subject: Attacking North Korea - a moral obligation
Le Zookeeper    12/13/2009 8:52:12 PM
As North Korea has debased its currency to some ridiculous exchange rate the population has had it with Kim ding dong and company. China doesn't seem to intervene the immoral and cruel reality of North Korean desparation. Cannibalism is now common. AlsoN. Korea poliferates missile tch and nuke ech to Iran etc etc, also small arm sale to the wrong folks globally. Plus it is gaining missile tch to attack Japan and US west cast. Its obvious the regime needs to be deposed militarily like Iraq. What would be the military plan of attack? Remember Seoul is targeted with an outrageous number of antiquated artillery peieces that can fire a few salvos before being hit. Seoul would have to be saved or maybe risked.
 
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Panther       12/13/2009 10:52:08 PM
Fantastic news! Let me know how the North Korean soldiers surrender in their quaking boots by the millions to Le great Zookeeper!
 
Moral obligation? Bah! Been there, done that... and ended up being left to hold the bag while most of the world and half of the country subscribed to some la-la land utopia of love and patience for a bag full of poisonous serpents!

You want too help the North Koreans, go do it yourself? Otherwise... let the Chinese mostly deal with them.
 
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Le Zookeeper    Why Panther I thought u would spport this.    12/14/2009 3:12:00 AM
I think u supported Iraq war, certainly Noko is more dangerous.
Fantastic news! Let me know how the North Korean soldiers surrender in their quaking boots by the millions to Le great Zookeeper!

 

Moral obligation? Bah! Been there, done that... and ended up being left to hold the bag while most of the world and half of the country subscribed to some la-la land utopia of love and patience for a bag full of poisonous serpents!





You want too help the North Koreans, go do it yourself? Otherwise... let the Chinese mostly deal with them.



 
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Le Zookeeper    Panther   12/14/2009 3:21:04 AM
I guess you have some bad memories about Korea, but China is obviously not doing much. Russia was rumored to support action against the Nokos. Certainly with missile and nuclear proliferation Noko is far more dangerous than Saddam. Would u just nuke the place?
 
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Godofgamblers       12/14/2009 3:34:32 AM

I guess you have some bad memories about Korea, but China is obviously not doing much. Russia was rumored to support action against the Nokos. Certainly with missile and nuclear proliferation Noko is far more dangerous than Saddam. Would u just nuke the place?


Confronting NoKo may just be what the regime needs to give it new life. Let it die on its own. Let them twist in the wind....
 
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Godofgamblers       12/14/2009 4:45:03 AM
It will be interesting to see how things play out actually since i am sure the Koreas will unite once again during my lifetime. And the xenophobia of the Koreans will pose a major threat to world peace. the mindless naitonalism of the north will easily shift to pro united Korea nationalism. The anti west anti japan ideology which is already embraced by the south will be the glue that holds the new entity together. Fueled this time with the economy of the south, the united korea will be a major destabilizing force in Asia.
 
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Wicked Chinchilla       12/14/2009 10:25:10 AM
Never looked at it from that angle before GoG, it is an interesting perspective to say the least.
 
I always thought of reunification as a disaster for the ROK waiting in the wings.  Bringing the North up to some level of a modern economy at least partially equivilent to the South is going to take a lot of time, lots of money, and be a serious drain. 
 
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RealMan    North Korean Leadership   12/14/2009 11:01:58 AM
 
Great post. However, noone seems to be addressing the most important issue. There is a 26 year old poised to take over in North Korea upon the death of Kim Jong Il. We can't allow that! I could send him a nice pen set but that's just me(Bobby Kennedy).  
 
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smitty237       12/14/2009 12:36:20 PM
The original post is a set up designed to trap all of us that supported the Iraq invasion.  Herc tipped his hand early with his response to Panther, but Panther has a point.  You could make a moral and humanitarian case for invading North Korea and removing the Kim Jong Il regime, but as Iraq has proven the United States will largely be left to deal with the aftermath.  GoG also pointed out the possible ramifications if we invaded.  I agree that we should let NorK rot from the inside and then help the South Koreans deal with what happens next, just like we did the Germans after unification.  If North Korea invades in a last gasp, desperate effort then we will have to fulfill our obligations to South Korea, but other than that I think we would be served in this case to let the North Korean regime fade away. 
 
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Godofgamblers    NK a danager.... United Korea, a bigger danger   12/14/2009 9:52:58 PM

I stand by my prediction, WC, and actually I've been ranting intermittently about Korea for a few years now.

 

This will be a costly reunification a la East Germany as you point out, BUT it won't be the North subordinating itself to the South as in West/East Germany. This will be a synthesis, a fusion, creating a Frankenstein.

 

North and South Korea: two sides of the same coin.

 
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Nichevo       12/14/2009 10:09:03 PM
So...what, GoG?  You buy into SlowMan's Inter-Eastasia dustup hypothesis (which I only half follow - nothing like determined paranoids to make one feel stupid for not keeping up)?  Maybe somebody can finally compete with China in light manufacturing; that's what I'd like to see, not to mention another sore spot on Chinese borders.  But you envision some big convulsion?  I guess I missed your years of rants, please flesh out for me where you're going with this.
 
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