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Subject: France is a relatively weak military power.
Nappy    6/23/2005 5:02:28 PM
France is a relatively weak military power in terms of the world. It has neither logisitcal nor economic capability to invade none other then it's neighbors (possibly a land invasion of England included). What do I mean by invasion? Ability to completely invade,dominate, and ultimately totally control (not like the "green zone" areas and chaos we see in Iraq). Germany is a possiblity but their armaments production capability is far higher then France. Spain is also a possiblity, but to be frank not possible due to the terrain(Pyrnees), and capability of the Spanish airforce (they have a significant airforce believe it or not, in fact with a budget of 8 billion annually just for the airforce.) England is a possiblity also, the French navy is significantly inferior to the English navy but it's possible to perhaps make a surprise landing. As far as comparing France to say an India. This is ludicrous. If India wishes, (this will NEVER happen) she could invade Russia and take Moscow (without Nuclear weapons of course), this could be done fairly easily by India (perhaps with a loss of 20-30 million Indians), Indians frankly pump out more and better qualified engineers, chemist then say France and Russia combined as per the DOW chemical company R&D report in 2004, and have a better capacity to utilize these resources, the Indian economy is much bigger in production capability then say a France or Russia (as output by ODM per operating cost). Finally, I just don't believe France has the "willpower" to do anything like an invasion. It's people are too inclined to luxuries and other wasteful and decadent excess that they will rather surrender or bargain with another power rather then fight. I do not mean to offend or upset anyone (in fact this is a complement to the highly developed social paradise setup by the French people) but the realities are that in a war France would probably roll over.
 
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Hamilcar21       7/6/2011 9:03:32 PM

Well I found this article.
 
The Greek Army deploys only 3500 fully operational soldiers

 

Data from the European Defence Agency suggest that the number of fully operational Greek soldiers is currently about 3,500 people in the Army. According to NATO, the objective of all land forces of the Alliance is at least 10% of the force be fully operational and viable in the modern military environment.

The corresponding figure for the French Army is about 30,000 soldiers and for the British Army 22,000 soldiers. The big surprise is the size of German soldiers operating with only 7,000 people, while Germany has the third largest defense budget in the European Union - 31 billion Euros, or 1.3% of GDP. The German Army is among the worst in terms of cost-efficiency and in the last position of NATO....

 
 As well as this one
 
NATO asks Greece to borrow some bombs
 

Eventually it seems that Greek bombs will fall, or have already fallen in Libya! As reported by trusted sources from the Ministry of National Defense, “The Greek side is oriented to satisfy the request by NATO to provide weapons to the Alliance air forces operating from Greek airports in Libya!”

This simply means that “NATO has run out of bombs and asks the countries that have bases for air operations to contribute to air-ground weapons, especially guided bombs from their stocks.”

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Das Kardinal       7/7/2011 11:00:28 AM


This claim from NATO is however viewed with skepticism from the Greek Air Force. Apart from Paveway I / II, all other weapons does not exist in sufficient quantities in the Greek inventory. There is some unconfirmed information that the French asked to “borrow” SCALP missiles, for use by their forces operating from Crete. However the Belgians and Norwegians operating from Araxos and Crete probably have been provided with Greek weapons.


After 120 days of operations, the poor in the first place weapon stocks of mainly key European partners in NATO is clear that simply are not enough for serious wars …




 

 

 My point is that operations in Libya being poorly supported by the US have clearly showed that most European countries have overrated their military capabilities.  Poor defence budgets should have some effect after all.

 

It's a good thing though that especially France kept developing its technology. 


 




In red.....ROTFLMAO.


Especially about France developing their own technology. 


H. 

Yea yeah, we know, nothing new coming from you. Evil French thieves stole everything from mighty Americans, down to and including the wheel, hot water and pancakes. Where's that rolleyes smiley again ?
 
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Hamilcar21    Well the truth hurts.   7/7/2011 3:09:26 PM










This claim from NATO is however viewed with skepticism from the Greek Air Force. Apart from Paveway I / II, all other weapons does not exist in sufficient quantities in the Greek inventory. There is some unconfirmed information that the French asked to “borrow” SCALP missiles, for use by their forces operating from Crete. However the Belgians and Norwegians operating from Araxos and Crete probably have been provided with Greek weapons.




After 120 days of operations, the poor in the first place weapon stocks of mainly key European partners in NATO is clear that simply are not enough for serious wars …










 



 



 My point is that operations in Libya being poorly supported by the US have clearly showed that most European countries have overrated their military capabilities.  Poor defence budgets should have some effect after all.



 



It's a good thing though that especially France kept developing its technology. 






 










In red.....ROTFLMAO.




Especially about France developing their own technology. 




H. 





Yea yeah, we know, nothing new coming from you. Evil French thieves stole everything from mighty Americans, down to and including the wheel, hot water and pancakes. Where's that rolleyes smiley again ?

The French made a wrong turn in 1922 and they've gone downhill ever since.

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Hamilcar21    Follow up.   7/7/2011 3:29:25 PM

Renault STOLE the codes from an 'unnamed' [Canadian] competitor.

H.

 

 
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halloweene       7/8/2011 7:51:38 AM
Loolz Hamilcar, start a french bashing thread, there you could keep trolling about french. You are getting real ridiculous spending all your time claiming thet french stole everything they have...Quickly go back to school or your mama will spank you
 
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phrank       7/8/2011 1:20:06 PM
I would say from a US point of view that France is one of a very few powers left in the world that will take independent action when needed. Most now want to go to the UN and watch whatever the problem is simmer for years passing resolution after resolution. We have had peace by and large for a long time in the west. People take it for granted that is normal and for a long time war was normal. I do think that over the next decade or so the US will pull back from some of the police duties we have been doing if for no other reason than cost. It will be up to other western powers to take up some of slack.
 
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Hamilcar21       7/8/2011 1:53:23 PM

Loolz Hamilcar, start a french bashing thread, there you could keep trolling about french. You are getting real ridiculous spending all your time claiming thet french stole everything they have...Quickly go back to school or your mama will spank you

What do you think occupied some of my attention this past half year,  BW?

By the way, you fool no one with your  latest act, truck driver.

Facts betray you, always.

H.

 

   

 
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Hamilcar21       7/8/2011 1:57:51 PM

I would say from a US point of view that France is one of a very few powers left in the world that will take independent action when needed. Most now want to go to the UN and watch whatever the problem is simmer for years passing resolution after resolution. We have had peace by and large for a long time in the west. People take it for granted that is normal and for a long time war was normal. I do think that over the next decade or so the US will pull back from some of the police duties we have been doing if for no other reason than cost. It will be up to other western powers to take up some of slack.

Wrong action and treachery? Prefer the predictable PRCs. They do less long term damage we have to fix. RWANDA for example was a French mistake.

So was Algeria, and for that matter WW II.

H.

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halloweene       7/8/2011 5:17:42 PM
LOL you fixed anything in rwanda???Or in Viet Nam, or in Irak, in Afghanistan???
 
 
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halloweene       7/8/2011 5:28:21 PM
Just one example, not sure you can read two without getting a headache
 
ht-p://tech.mit.edu/V115/N6/spy.06w.html
 

American Spy 'Caught Red-Handed' by French, Left Paris Immediately

By Daniel Williams and Walter Pincus
The Washington Post
WASHINGTON

One of five Americans fingered by the French as working for the CIA was "caught red-handed" spying and left Paris immediately, well before the U.S.-French espionage scandal erupted Wednesday into public view, U.S. officials said Thursday.

A second American named by the French may leave "slightly ahead" of the scheduled end of his tour of duty this summer, a U.S. official said - this despite public protestations by the State Department Wednesday that the French charges were "unwarranted."

I guess they were there to prevent french intelligence agencies to steal KFC secrets...
 
 
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