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Subject: France is a relatively weak military power.
Nappy    6/23/2005 5:02:28 PM
France is a relatively weak military power in terms of the world. It has neither logisitcal nor economic capability to invade none other then it's neighbors (possibly a land invasion of England included). What do I mean by invasion? Ability to completely invade,dominate, and ultimately totally control (not like the "green zone" areas and chaos we see in Iraq). Germany is a possiblity but their armaments production capability is far higher then France. Spain is also a possiblity, but to be frank not possible due to the terrain(Pyrnees), and capability of the Spanish airforce (they have a significant airforce believe it or not, in fact with a budget of 8 billion annually just for the airforce.) England is a possiblity also, the French navy is significantly inferior to the English navy but it's possible to perhaps make a surprise landing. As far as comparing France to say an India. This is ludicrous. If India wishes, (this will NEVER happen) she could invade Russia and take Moscow (without Nuclear weapons of course), this could be done fairly easily by India (perhaps with a loss of 20-30 million Indians), Indians frankly pump out more and better qualified engineers, chemist then say France and Russia combined as per the DOW chemical company R&D report in 2004, and have a better capacity to utilize these resources, the Indian economy is much bigger in production capability then say a France or Russia (as output by ODM per operating cost). Finally, I just don't believe France has the "willpower" to do anything like an invasion. It's people are too inclined to luxuries and other wasteful and decadent excess that they will rather surrender or bargain with another power rather then fight. I do not mean to offend or upset anyone (in fact this is a complement to the highly developed social paradise setup by the French people) but the realities are that in a war France would probably roll over.
 
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RedParadize    I am tired of this   7/18/2011 7:44:02 PM
From GF (htp://www.strategypage.com/militaryforums/6-76446.aspx)
 
"if sweetman was able to suspend his animosity and be a professional and inject some neutrality of analysis, then he'd be credible - unfort like a few others he has taken a road which paints him into a corner where he is not prepared to lose face - let alone act with input decorum"
 
For me, you, Hamilcar, fall into the same category. But we are not talking about technicality of a plane here, its about a nation and its people.Your unhonest and unrespectful comment are not only hurting french feeling here, by doing this, you are alimenting the anti-american feeling of many. You should be ashame of giving a such wrong impression of Americans.
 
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halloweene       7/20/2011 5:56:18 AM
Why would France wish to invade those countries??? Why do you think we started building EU after the disaster of WWII?
France is a relatively weak military power in terms of the world. It has neither logisitcal nor economic capability to invade none other then it's neighbors (possibly a land invasion of England included).
What do I mean by invasion? Ability to completely invade,dominate, and ultimately totally control (not like the "green zone" areas and chaos we see in Iraq).

Germany is a possiblity but their armaments production capability is far higher then France. Spain is also a possiblity, but to be frank not possible due to the terrain(Pyrnees), and capability of the Spanish airforce (they have a significant airforce believe it or not, in fact with a budget of 8 billion annually just for the airforce.) England is a possiblity also, the French navy is significantly inferior to the English navy but it's possible to perhaps make a surprise landing.

As far as comparing France to say an India. This is ludicrous. If India wishes, (this will NEVER happen) she could invade Russia and take Moscow (without Nuclear weapons of course), this could be done fairly easily by India (perhaps with a loss of 20-30 million Indians), Indians frankly pump out more and better qualified engineers, chemist then say France and Russia combined as per the DOW chemical company R&D report in 2004, and have a better capacity to utilize these resources, the Indian economy is much bigger in production capability then say a France or Russia (as output by ODM per operating cost).

Finally, I just don't believe France has the "willpower" to do anything like an invasion. It's people are too inclined to luxuries and other wasteful and decadent excess that they will rather surrender or bargain with another power rather then fight. I do not mean to offend or upset anyone (in fact this is a complement to the highly developed social paradise setup by the French people) but the realities are that in a war France would probably roll over.

 
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Hamilcar21       7/25/2011 11:45:00 AM

From GF (htp://www.strategypage.com/militaryforums/6-76446.aspx)
 
"if sweetman was able to suspend his animosity and be a professional and inject some neutrality of analysis, then he'd be credible - unfort like a few others he has taken a road which paints him into a corner where he is not prepared to lose face - let alone act with input decorum"
 
For me, you, Hamilcar, fall into the same category. But we are not talking about technicality of a plane here, its about a nation and its people.Your unhonest and unrespectful comment are not only hurting french feeling here, by doing this, you are alimenting the anti-american feeling of many. You should be ashame of giving a such wrong impression of Americans.

Tough. I do not mean the French en masse. I mean the 1%er French ruling class.  Do you see me treat the American 1%er ruling class any different?

Well? As for the truck driver, that "steel beast" tank expert is so laughable to me, that I am insulted when he attempts to claim that he knows aviation, firearms, or even how hos own nation operates in the REAL WORLD.

H.         

H. 

 
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Sarge3000       1/8/2013 7:33:56 AM
Not going to read all replies.
Objectively speaking, France is the top military in EU, on equal terms with UK (this is often debated).
 
This is not a small insignificant fact. To be the top of Europe.
 
I will even say, against most people's opinion, that France is the top military in Europe, above UK.
 
The only thing you really read about on online forums is the nonsense about surrendering, the supposed "inferior spirit" of the average French soldier vs UK soldier, which is all really a bunch of ballooney in reality, *and actually helps France indirectly by downplaying its power which could really help France in future conflicts* (not respecting/underestimating an opponent is a sure way to lose alot of blood).
 
The sad reality for the UK is that on paper it is outmatched by France on every level. France is a much bigger country than the UK and it shows proportionally with its military.The advantages the UK has are purely strategical. 
 
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Safineia    the UN opinion   3/26/2013 7:59:24 PM
This subject was created in 2005. And I don't think the french army was as weak as Nappy said at that time. Anyway a few things changed in 8 years. Acording to the UN, France is today the 4th military power in the world after the USA, Russia and China and before the Uk which is 5th.
 
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