Get YOUR facts straight.

Battle of Tours in southern France where Charles Martel stopped the islamic Moors invading...AD 721 I believe.

First Crusade AD 1092

Looks like Islam struck the first blow.

 

Get my facts right?

The battle of  Tours was between the Carolingian Franks and the Umayad Caliphate which represent two equally opposed political entities but in the context of the time can only be seen as another battle between European powers and players.

Now fast forward to the first crusade and you have an entire league of nations that represent Christendom, indeed with the support of the authoritarian figures of Christendom at the time (ie the priests) striking at a league of Islamic majority nations, including the attack on Christian and Jewish pilgrims who resided in the area of the holy land.

The first crusade was not just a military conflict between two different powers but it was the first time when Christendom and Islam went to battle, needless to say it was characterized by brutality on both sides in which the scars of this time are still being felt today.

Im afraid that it is you who should study the situation of the time and see how different the crusades were to other conflicts in the context on what it represents.

Who were the Umayed caliphate?...they were not native Moslems of Spain and North Africa...they were the descendents of the Arab tribes and enslaved peoples who swept across North Africa and up thru southern Spain enslaving, assimilating, and displacing all before them by force. They invaded Christian lands and tried to conquer all by force LONG before the crusades.

I'm not saying that the Crusades were anything other than a naked land grab...but Islam attacked Christain lands first.

Any that is the history.

Most analysis here seem from the Turks, and their analysis are 100% biased.  First, they ignore the fact that Turkey is the most hated country in the world because it is the most criminal throughout history, especially against Christians.  This country and its people killed, tortured, displaced, and enslaved millions of Christians.  They used to kill on identities: Who is Christian is either killed or displaced, or at best enslaved with very high taxations.  When Turkey occuppied our country (Lebanon) it supported the Druze to kill 10,000 Christians and also supported the Sunnis in Syria to kill about 30,000 Christians in 1858. It was not until France interfered that Turkey stopped supporting the muslim killers.   Turkey killed and displaced millions of Armenians, and they still refuse to admit it.  These are facts that all people in the world, including the Turks, know.  Please don't tell me it's your ancestors who killed.  This is nonsense for two reasons.  First, societies do not change in 100 years from the very left to the very right.  Second, the secular regime failed in Turkey.

 

Of course the world-wide hatred does not have a direct effect on the powers, but it has an indirect effect.  Who loves Turkey in the world except mainly the Sunnis?  So, let's now compare Greece and Turkey's powers.  I'm not very knowlegeable on the military powers of both but i will talk mostly about the political situation.

 

First, due to what is mentioned above, Turkey is now an almost isolated country.  I do not mean isolated in the literal sense, but in some sense.  Turkey failed to Join the European Union, and that's why now it tries to move toward the Arab world.  It is trying to take advantage of two things.  The Arab-Israeli conflict (which is actually now restricted to Jerusalem), and the Arab-Persian conflict. Turkey is trying to tell the Arabs to forget its history and take the benefit of her power.  Some Arabs will go with this because they are Sunnis and thus do not mind genocides.  However, Turkey knows that invading Syria is not easy because Iran may get involved and Iran and Syria together are superior to Turkey.  So, Turkey's success in the Arab world relies on whether the Nato would attack Syria and change the regime there.  I don't know if this would happen.  However, if Iran joins Syria, it won't be easy for Turkey (at best, this is if Turkey does not lose), and the result would be Turkey failing in the Arab world after failing in Europe.  This is what i means by isolation.

 

On the other hand, Greece is advancing militarily very well, although there are still some gaps it should fill.  However, Greece is now part of the European Union, and thus if Turkey initiates an illegal war, I guess it would regret.

 

Based on its incapability of going into a war against Syria and Iran (unless with the NATO support), and its incapability to attack Greece because it is supported by the EU, the expenditures on its military work against it because they are of no use in a world where each 5 years new are evolve.

 

Any analysis of countries' strengths without taking into account the alliances, political and economical situations, and the countries' regimes are incomplete.  It is mainly America that is making Turkey strong.  America and the EU together would determine the winner.  Exagerating the power of Turkey does not lead anywhere.

 

The Greek army consists, I guess, of about 1 million soldiers.  With this number, and with their good arms and support of the EU, they can do wonders.  However, they DO lack expertise and special forces.

First of all let's skip the Orientalist view and propaganda shall we because when a Muslim majority country attacks and wins against another nation that is genocide but when a Christian country does it it's ok isnt it? It's ok to rape Africa, it's ok to colonize the Americas and exterminate the Native American, it's ok to kill over a Muslim people at the closing stages of the Ottoman Empire, it's ok for France to commit genocide in Algeria but get offended to the so called Turkish crimes.

Take your propaganda and shove it where the sun dont shine.

and FYI Turkey is not an isolated country and to think that it is, is just the

Also the moron that said Greece is advancing in her military has no idea, my god! Greece has no armaments industry that they can be proud of, the only weapons and vehicles they develop are so far below NATO standards that no other NATO nation has purchased them, the most advanced UAV Greece has a battery life of 12 hours that has realiability problems in rough weather conditions.

What a JOKE 

Oh boy,u made me laugh