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Subject: Turkey vs. Greece who better?
Irish Emo dudes    1/4/2007 7:32:39 PM
Greece spends 7 billion on their military and has american weapondry turkey spends 12 billion and also has american weapondry both used f-16's but turkey has ordered 100 f-35's not sure what greece is getting i think eurofighters...whose better militarily and who would win in a war (two different questions) and another thing i would like to know who is better trained?
 
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Godofgamblers    kane   3/26/2007 1:45:49 AM
What are Turkey's special forces, Kane? do you have a link on them in English?
 
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Mustafa    Past Experiences   3/26/2007 9:24:41 AM
You can not make wars under the influence of blind ambitions. Go back to what Greece tried to do in Cyprus. They couldn't even make a call for arms because they lacked equipment. They couldn't even fly past the island of Rhodos. Their European friends didn't come to their aid as they hoped they would. And their miscalculated ambitions made them loose half of Cyprus. Again it comes to capable men using these equipments, nothing else. Capable men for planning, strategy, timing and no blind heroic ambitions.
 
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Mustafa    Past Experiences   3/26/2007 10:11:27 AM
You can not make wars under the influence of blind ambitions. Go back to what Greece tried to do in Cyprus. They couldn't even make a call for arms because they lacked equipment. They couldn't even fly past the island of Rhodos. Their European friends didn't come to their aid as they hoped they would. And their miscalculated ambitions made them loose half of Cyprus. Again it comes to capable men using these equipments, nothing else. Capable men for planning, strategy, timing and no blind heroic ambitions.
 
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Mustafa    Past Experiences   3/26/2007 10:24:24 AM
You can not make wars under the influence of blind ambitions. Go back to what Greece tried to do in Cyprus. They couldn't even make a call for arms because they lacked equipment. They couldn't even fly past the island of Rhodos. Their European friends didn't come to their aid as they hoped they would. And their miscalculated ambitions made them loose half of Cyprus. Again it comes to capable men using these equipments, nothing else. Capable men for planning, strategy, timing and no blind heroic ambitions.
 
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kane       3/26/2007 11:45:16 AM

What are Turkey's special forces, Kane? do you have a link on them in English?


oooops sorry for being late
A guy from this site gave me a good link once
 
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kane    4-1   3/26/2007 11:46:28 AM
Turkey:4
Greece:1
We are better for now ......good match ;)
 
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kane       3/26/2007 11:50:44 AM
and copy-pasted info
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The special forces within the Turkish Armed Forces are one of the finest among their counterparts throughout the world. Despite the fact that there are many other special operations commando units, such as the Mountain Commando Brigades, Gendarmerie Commandos and Marine Corps, within the Turkish Armed Forces, they do not fall under the definition/classification of modern day special forces.

The Turkish special forces units could be classified into the following:

1. SPECIAL FORCES COMMAND - GENERAL STAFF HEADQUARTERS (Ozel Kuvvetler Komutanligi - O.K.K.)

The manpower required for the Special Forces Command (OKK), which is publicly known as Red Berets, is acquired from the selected officers and non-commissioned officers (NCOs) of various units operating under the Land Forces Command. In other words, the Army officers and NCOs only are eligible to join this elite unit. This unit directly operates under the command of the General Staff Headquarters. The individuals forming this special unit are selected from their regular army troops on voluntary basis. Not all who volunteers are admitted though since there is a pass/fail written exam as well as physical tests to go through. Those who pass the exams become special forces candidates. Adequate linguistic skills in at least one foreign language is a plus for admission. The candidates then have to complete a challenging training period which lasts around 2.5 years. Many drop out during this intense training period. Training encompasses fitness, obstacle, Martial Arts, close quarters combat (CQC), biological/chemical/nuclear warfare, parachuting, diving, sniping, demolition, counter-terrorism, search and rescue, stealth seek and destroy, reconnaissance and survival. Learning foreign languages is a part of the training. During the training, candidates are pushed by their instructors to their limits, both physically and mentally. Training schedule includes all aspects of a modern day regular and psychological warfare. 100 kilometer terrain-walking with a 40 kg. load is just an example of what the candidates have to go through during training. Although the official size of the OKK stands at a Division level, this includes non-combatant units and behind-the-desk duties as well. The combatant size of the OKK is not greater than 500. The OKK may be considered as the Turkish counterpart of the US Green Berets.

Within the OKK, there is a more specialized unit with only 100 members. Although the name of the unit is Combat Search and Rescue (Muharebe Arama Kurtarma - M.A.K.), its duties focus more on unconventional warfare and military intelligence. No further information is available on MAK except for the fact that it is thought to be established and organized like its US counterpart Delta Force. It also differs from the OKK in that its members are selected not only from the Army, but also from the other two main forces, Navy and Air Force. It should not be difficult to conclude that the MAK members are the best of the best within the Turkish Armed Forces.

OKK and MAK perform a variety of duties such as:

- Surveillance on enemy structures, facilities, defense systems or strategically relevant buildings.
- Covert sabotage against enemy units and structures.
- Infiltration.
- Reconnaissance.
- Hostage/POW/downed pilot rescue.
- Counter-terrorism missions.
- Close Quarter Combat.
- Organization and training of friendly civilians against the enemy.

OKK and MAK both took part in the accomplishment of several missions. Capture of Abdullah Ocalan, the Chief of the terrorist PKK organization, in Kenya and of Semdin Sakik, PKK's second chief in charge were carried out by the OKK. The OKK gained vast amount of experience in search and destroy type missions, especially in rural areas and caves in South-East Turkey during its years long campaign against the PKK. The OKK has also been undertaking missions in Bosnia, Kosovo, Albania, Afghanistan and North Iraq. A few OKK teams were sent to Afghanistan during Operation Enduring Freedom and trained the new recruits of the newly-established regular Afghan Army.

2. NAVAL SPECIAL FORCES

The Naval Special Forces of the Turkish Armed Forces are classified under two categories. Although these two categories, publicly known as SAS and SAT, are thought to be the same by many people, in fact they are not. They are two different units with completely different specialization areas and range of duties. The personnel of both units are selected only from the Navy officers and non-commissioned officers on voluntary basis.

A. UNDERWATER DEFENSE TEAM

 
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Skiros13    No one wins   3/26/2007 12:17:52 PM
No one would win.  Yes, Turkey may capture some coastal Islands but Greece's doctrin is to cause so much damage that Turkey would not benifit from a war.  Greece would never attack Turkey.  Greece is not stupid.  If Turkey were to attack, Greece has a sophisticated air defense system that integrates S-300 with Patriot long rage AA, with local Island based systems from Russia. A more advanced Navy and an Airforce that can hold its own.  Their early warning radar system is advanced.  If an attack were to take place damage would occure on both sides.  The bridge over the Bospherous would be destroyed.  Dams and infrastructer destroyed.  No one would benifit.  Turkey and Greece have other problems. - Iran.   The reason why Turkey and Greece will not go to war is that the West, Nato/ US cannot afford a weakened Turkey in the face of threats from IRAN.   I would like to see closer cooperation between the two countries. 
 
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EuroUSA       3/26/2007 1:02:09 PM
A few comments:
 
1) Kane on your 4-1 comment. Regardless of the result or outcome of what happens now, Greece still is European Champions, something that Turkey ( a fine footballing nation in it's own right) cannot proclaim. 
 
2) Turkey is known to have the better Air Force from the two with some building techniques, however those building techniques are only used under authorization by the licensees.  This negates Turkey's Defense building industry as they are in the same position as Greece in this respect. 
 
3)However, as Turkey remains powerful in the Air, Greece remains just as powerful in the Sea.  The Greek navy is known as one of the most advanced and best trained in the world.   Military aside for one moment, Greek sailors, captains and all ranks on the high seas are known to be amongst the best (except for Norwegian Captains). Couple this with Greece's 75% dominance of the world's shipping fleet, as well as a history rich in sea. 
 
4) Update:  Turkey 1- Greece 1
 
5)The overall decision maker in this respect would be who the invading army is.  If Greece invaded Turkey, they would probably just make their way a few miles past the coastline.  however if Turkey invaded Greece, they would only be able to capture a few smaller Greek islands away from the Greek Navy.  Greece's terrain is something they have used for thousands of years to their advantage and has proved worthy many times over.  Land battle would go simply to the defending nation. 
 
6) Turks and Greeks have been on a level of unseen freindliness.  I do not beleive that both nations would ever go to war once again as it is to their own detriment.  They now have powerful economies.  Turkey with scale, Greece with stability.  The region has seen a booming tourist market and trade between the two nation has increased to the highest ever.  Their may still be bad vibes, but generation after generation this will minimize.  As an american citizen, I do not want a war between these two nations, however if their would be one, I beleive it is to everyones interest to have it subside as fast as possible.  This means that Air and Sea battles would take place and they would be equal.  Who wins with this?  The nations you buy defense products of all types win.  More money for us!  Thanks Turks and Greeks!
 
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kane       3/26/2007 1:51:08 PM

No one would win.  Yes, Turkey may capture some coastal Islands but Greece's doctrin is to cause so much damage that Turkey would not benifit from a war.  Greece would never attack Turkey.  Greece is not stupid.  If Turkey were to attack, Greece has a sophisticated air defense system that integrates S-300 with Patriot long rage AA, with local Island based systems from Russia. A more advanced Navy and an Airforce that can hold its own.  Their early warning radar system is advanced.  If an attack were to take place damage would occure on both sides.  The bridge over the Bospherous would be destroyed.  Dams and infrastructer destroyed.  No one would benifit.  Turkey and Greece have other problems. - Iran.   The reason why Turkey and Greece will not go to war is that the West, Nato/ US cannot afford a weakened Turkey in the face of threats from IRAN.   I would like to see closer cooperation between the two countries. 


I don't think if we'd lose much since our doctorine is defensive too :)
You're right my friend, Turkey and Greece had history full of conflicts but this doesn't change the fact that WE HAVE A LOT IN COMMON........similar cultures,people,history.....a great mixture
 
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