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Subject: What the hell happened? Why Didn't Saddam push all the way?
HYPOCENTER    10/20/2006 2:13:54 AM
Can someone explain this war to me? It's hardly ever discussed so my knowledge of the conflict is practically non-existent. However, I have heard that for all intents and purposes, Iraq was winning -- having made major strides into Iran and then all of a sudden, just stopped. This was apparently the turning point of the war. Why did Saddam stop, what was his reason? And what if he didn’t, could Iran ever have recovered and how would the rest of the war have played out?
 
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Carl S       10/22/2006 8:25:14 PM
This link is to a game discussion board on the Iraq Iran war.  Not a direct help, but there are some other links, sources, and information buried there.  An hour or two will turn up some starting points for you.

One of several answers is that Saddam was bankrupt & his creditors were terminating his credit.  Several Arab governments with oil cash had bankrolled his war in the expectation that the non Arab & non Sunni iranians would be nuetralized as a Persian Gulf power.  After eight years the Arab finaciers were fed up with Saddams blundering.  Like any other banker they advised their debtor to terminate a operation as soon as practical.

A second factor was fear of Saddam.  Certain other Arab states noted that Iraq now had the largest army in the Gulf region.  Without a PO'd Iran to threaten his flank who knew what Saddam might try?  So there wa political pressure to end the war  before the iranian army was destroyed, or at least driven back a safe distance.

A third reason was internal pressure.  The Kurds were becoming a threat, the Baath loyalists were becoming restive, the economy was tipping the wrong way.

Fourth things had looked good before, and turned bad abruptly.  While the Iranians were losing men & territory no one was ready to call it a sure thing at the moment.

I cant say which of these were more important than the other, plus there are several other reasons I dont grasp very well.  to use a poker game anology Saddam decided to leave the game with a small winning hand rather than play on at high risk for a larger win.
 
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Carl S       10/22/2006 8:26:28 PM
 
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Carl S       10/22/2006 8:28:10 PM
Damm.  I forgot URLS frequently get corrupted on this web site.  Try pasting in this:

 
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Carl S       10/22/2006 8:29:03 PM
Damm.  I forgot URLS frequently get corrupted on this web site.  Try pasting in this:

http   talk.consimworld.com/[email protected]@.ee6fc7a/556
 
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Clackers       11/12/2007 5:55:12 AM
I think the Iranians are being sold a little short here ... with the Shah's army purged, the mullahs organized grassroots resistance, stopped the internationally funded and equipped invaders, pushed them back, then managed to counterattack into Iraq itself.  After eight years of stalemate in which perhaps 600,000 died, Saddam couldn't do any better than accept a UN ceasefire ...
 
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Clackers       11/12/2007 5:57:06 AM
Edit: 600,000 is listed in Forty's "Defining Moments: Modern War" as casualties, not deaths ...
 
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timon_phocas       11/16/2007 7:59:15 PM
I spoke with a Marine NCO who went on an observer mission to the Iran-Iraq war in the early eighties. He said it reminded him of two blind men throwing rocks at each other in a football stadium. Artillery concentrations on empty desert, pincer movements that converged on nothing.

I think Saddam Hussein was like Mussolini. He saw the wholesale dismemberment of the shah's armed forces by the mullahs after they took over, and he thought he could conquer and loot the western, ethnically Arab provinces that had most of Iran's oil. He enraged the Iranians who fought back and threatened to topple him, so it became a fight for his life. It was a successful war for him in that he cheated the hangman for another 18 years, but the debts he ran up caused him to invade Kuwait.  

An instructor at the Military Language Institute gave a talk in 2006 in which he spoke of his interaction with Saddam Hussein suring the war. He took U.S. satellite imagery to Iraq when Iran seemed to be winning. His orders were to show the images to Saddam and his senior commanders. He could  point out what the images contained, i.e. formations, strengths and positions. He was forbidden to give any analysis. Saddam impressed him as being rather dense. Maybe that's why he failed.

I read an article about the Iran-Iraq war in Foreign Affairs in the summer of 1990. I think it's author was a former military attache in the region. It was a pretty succinct, but accurate overview of the war. It might be a good place to start in your reading.  


 
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