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Subject: More Perspectives On Kursk
S-2    10/31/2006 9:59:34 AM
I've found these articles, which appear to be good reading. Thought that I'd offer them up. The first is an interesting discussion of the battle of Ponyri Station. The second is a thesis just recently completed on the overall battle. The third is offered by George M. Nipe as an essay- etd.lsu.edu/docs/available/etd-0604103-113808/unrestricted/Klug_thesis.pdf web.archive.org/web/20010502220018/www.thehistorynet.com/worldwarII/articles/1998/0298_text.htm
 
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S-2    Actual Links   10/31/2006 10:06:03 AM
 
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saltpeterjunky       12/6/2006 6:25:38 AM
Interesting.....I just read the memoirs of general Erhard Raus about the east front 41-45, a panzer commander of the Wehrmacht. He was in command of the main German units at Kursk, and he describes how he held the line despite a ridiculous inferiority in numbers. In his view , the main reason for the setback at Kurs were inadequate orders "from above", that came either too late or were too far from the actual situation on the battlefield. A really interesting book


 
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S-2    saltpeterjunky Reply   12/8/2006 5:01:04 PM
 
Alan Wilson has built a real nice on-line site of the battle to better acquaint all of us.  Check your info on Raus.  He commanded an infantry corps of two divisions, none panzer, on the flank of Armee Abteilung Kempf.  Not quite the same as described by you.  Wilson's order of battle is fairly accurate.  He's a few flaws in his organization for combat-at least with Grossdeutschland, but you find Raus and, I believe the 106th and 320th Infantry Divisions as part of his corps (known both as XI and Korps Raus).
 
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8486cofe    Raus   12/9/2006 7:02:49 AM
Raus's XI Korps comprised 106, 168, 189 and 320 Infantry Divisions at the 4th Battle of Karkov (August 43). He also had the use of  6 Panzer (his old Division, it had become seperated from III Pz Korps -Breith). This is from "Panzers on the Eastern Front -General Erhard Raus and his Panzer Divisions in Russia 1941-45. Tsouras, P.G. (a great read)
 
Without doubt one Germany's supreme panzer generals.
 
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S-2    8486cofe Reply   12/9/2006 8:11:37 AM
No argument about Raus in the Kharkov bottleneck except that my book edited by Tsouras, FIGHTING IN HELL-THE GERMAN ORDEAL ON THE EASTERN FRONT, indicates that Raus commanded 168, 248, 320, 106, and 198 Divisions along with his old  panzer command, 6th Panzer.
 
Still, that would not be the same as commanding the "main forces" at Kursk.  Hardly the case, not to be pedantic, although his XI Armee Korps had considerably expanded by the last battle for Kharkov.  He did, during the course of the CITADEL operations command a two-division infantry corps along the right (southern) flank of Armee Abteilung Kempf. 
 
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8486cofe    Raus @ Kursk - S2   12/19/2006 7:45:01 AM
Checked my Kursk reference. You were right Korps Raus only contained 106th and 320th Infantry Divs. Can add a bit more the Korps units were Arko 153, I/77, I/213, II/54 Field Art Battalions. 31 Light ArtObs Battalion. 905 StuG Battalion, 393 StuG Battery. II/1 Hvy Rocket Rgt, 52 Rocket Rgt. 18, 152 Engineer Battalions(m). 923, 41 Bridge Construction Battalions. 246 Construction Battalion. 4, 7 and 48 AA Rgts.
 
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