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Subject: The Red Army in WW2 - questions for Constantine XI and editor
taylorjohn21    5/26/2005 8:44:02 AM
To change the theme somewhat, from my last topic. I have read extensively about the various European Armies which fought in WW2 and I believe, I have a fairly good overall picture of the their overall organisation/composition, the way they fought, their strengths/weaknesses etc. The one exception to this is the Red Army. Inspite of the throwing open of Soviet archives since the fall of Communism and the publication of numerous books on this topic by David Glantz among others, I still do not have an overall ‘feel’ as to how the Red Army really operated – especially in the latter part of the war from 1943-45. David Glantz’s works convey a very simplified impression of all Soviet citizens working happily together with the Red Army to defeat the German invaders, while Stalin sits quietly in the background. From what I have gleaned on this subject from other sources (notably John Erickson, Albert Seaton and Steven Zaloga, many of whose works were published before the fall of Communism) this was certainly not the case. Stalin kept very tight overall control of all Red Army operations as it advanced relentlessly against the Wehrmacht from 1943 onwards. The Red Army possessed a vast array of different forces ranging from tank corps, artillery divisions, engineer regiments, guards divisions etc, etc – the list goes on. But how did these different forces cooperate with each other?, What was their reinforcement and replacement system?, Were there real differences in the quality of Guards divisions versus non-guards divisions – comparable to say the German Army and Waffen SS? What about regional differences between various Red Army units - say between rifle divisions from Georgia and Kazakhstan? This is all very unclear. As far as I can judge, Red Army offensive operations between 1944-45 were a mixture of advanced WW1 tactics (infiltration, artillery barrages plus deception measures) with the basics of WW2 mobile operations thrown in which was applied against a static German defence. Regarding the Red Army Summers offensives of 1943, I am unable to envisage how they were really conducted. I was just wondering whether you had any ideas/suggestions on this subject matter??
 
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Constantine XI    RE:The Red Army in WW2 - questions for Constantine XI and editor   5/27/2005 1:49:22 AM
Mate i'd love to answer immediately but I have two exams soon. This isn't my main area but I took quite an interest in partisan fighting and the industrial effort of the Soviets so hopefully I can get back to you. I'm at work in the office as it is so better get back to work. Hope to have a response in to you soon. Peace.
 
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editor    RE:The Red Army in WW2 - questions for Constantine XI and editor   5/28/2005 5:21:53 AM
I'm learning about this from several viewpoints as I deal with aviation historians occasionally and pick up bits here and there nowadays. I can't read Ukrainian or Russian well enough to be able to grasp the finer details myself, but I know enough people who can translate for me. The 'everyone working for a common goal' idea works to a certain degree. Stalin tried to rally everybody 'round the red flag. Didn't work, so he went back to nationalism and fared better. Seperating political control from military planning and action also was a factor in improving performance. But when you remember that 10,000 soldiers were shot for desertion at Stalingrad and the soldiers marching through minefields had machine guns at their backs, the sense of unity doesn't always hold. Desertion became more of a problem as they moved west and the soldiers' homes were liberated. Parallel reading helps as well. Mitrokhin's files show that the Sevastopol' and Moscow KGB fought each other more often than they did the Germans in Crimea, though there is a museum there to commemorate the 'victors'. I wish I knew of a good source that could tie everything together that doesn't fit the old ideology here. They've tried to rewrite history a bit by focusing on the common soldier and how everyone in every house pitched in to throw the Germans out, but the war between the Red Army and UPA - the Ukrainian insurgent army - is still so strong that these old men still hate each other after having more or less forgiven the Germans. Hope this helps a little. I know I didn't touch on planning and the like.
 
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taylorjohn21    RE:The Red Army in WW2 - Reply to Constantine   5/29/2005 4:13:49 AM
Thanks for your comments. What you have said confirms my thoughts that the story of the Red Army in WW2 has still not been told fully.
 
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kalaloch    RE:The Red Army in WW2 - questions for Constantine XI and editor   8/28/2005 3:22:09 PM
I have to do this without making it sound like an advert...Alan Wilson has some excellent pages that list solid TOE's for Soviet units during the 1943 period. In particular, things like the variance during the change-over from 1942 to 1943 Tank Brigades. Check "google" under Kursk.
 
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Carl S    RE:The Red Army in WW2 - questions for Constantine XI and editor   8/29/2005 1:40:40 PM
If you have any specifics about artillery I may be able to answer.
 
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taylorjohn21    RE:The Red Army in WW2 - questions for Constantine XI and editor   9/5/2005 3:38:06 PM
Sorry of the delay in replying - I have managed to do some more research into the Red Army during WW2 and have a somewhat better idea of how it operated.
 
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jardarius    Red army supplies   1/20/2010 2:49:00 PM
One thing that was alwys a bit of a mystery to me, is the russian suply lines. The Germans obviesly could not handle it. Since u know about the artillery, maybe u know how they supplied it. I know they got some Studebakers (thousands),and trains, by lend lease, but the infrastrukture must have ben just as shot for them as for the Germans ( probably worse). How did they manage? I mean, the British and Americans got trouble from Normandy to Germany, Germany and Sibir is quite a bit further, and on muddy roads! Any insight would be nice:-) Oh and anything about the artillery would be nice too, as information about the red army seems to be hard to find...
 
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