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Subject: The U.S.-Israeli Suicide Pact
watchman    7/23/2006 9:30:05 PM
The Iran-Hamas-Hezbollah axis is fully responsible for initiating the war on Israel, but the Islamists' aggression is the logical product of U.S.-Israeli policy. The longstanding commitment of Israel and America to "diplomatic engagement" with Palestinians and Islamists--a euphemism for appeasement--is suicidal. For decades America has urged Israel to placate and surrender to our common enemy. The U.S.-endorsed "Road Map to Peace," like the "Peace Process" and sundry initiatives before it, rationalized Palestinian terrorism as the result of a legitimate grievance. If only the Palestinians' wish for a civilized, peaceful state were fulfilled--Washington deluded itself into believing--terrorism would end. And fulfilling this wish requires not smashing their terrorist infrastructure, but showering them with land and loot. But the majority of Palestinians actually seek the destruction of Israel, and the slaughter of its people. Because they embrace this vicious goal, hordes of Palestinians idolized arch terrorist Yasser Arafat for waging a terrorist war to wipe out Israel and establish a nationalist dictatorship. They abetted Arafat's terrorism and celebrated his atrocities. They served as cheerleaders or recruits for terrorist groups--and when they had the chance, they embraced the even more militant religious zealots of Hamas. It is no surprise that, according to a recent poll, 77 percent of Palestinians support their government's kidnapping of an Israeli soldier and that 60 percent support the continued rocket fire from Gaza into Israel. But even as Palestinians mounted more attacks, Washington pressed Israel for more concessions--and bolstered the terrorist-sponsoring Palestinian Authority with millions of dollars in aid. The U.S. forbade Israel from laying a finger on Arafat, and extended this tender solicitude to Hamas leaders. Washington actually whitewashed the blood-stained Arafat and his crony Abbas as peace-loving statesmen and invited them to the White House. And when Hezbollah now fires rockets at major cities in northern Israel, President Bush demands that Israel show "restraint." Depressingly, Israel has continually relented to American pressure to appease our common enemy. It has prostrated itself before the Palestinians, with flamboyantly self-sacrificial offers of land-for-peace; it has withdrawn from southern Lebanon, ceding ground necessary to its self-defense; it has withdrawn from Gaza, leaving its southern cities at the mercy of rocket fire from the Hamas-run territory. Such U.S.-endorsed appeasement by Israel, across decades, has enabled Hezbollah and Hamas to mount their current attacks. Yet America remains undeterred in its commitment to appeasement. The U.S. is now trying to woo Iran with endless offers of economic "incentives," if only Iran promises to stop chasing nuclear weapons. Evading Iran's lust to "wipe Israel off the map," evading its funding of Hezbollah and Hamas, evading its avowed enmity to America, evading its decades of fomenting and orchestrating a proxy terror war against American civilians--evading all of this, Washington deludes itself into believing that paying Iran off will, somehow, wipe out its hostility. Inevitably, this encourages Iran to continue its aggressive support for terrorists and its fervent quest for nuclear weapons. Merely by prolonging the negotiations endlessly, Iran gains time to acquire a weapon to wield against its neighbors, to provide to Hamas and Hezbollah or to other proxies to use against the United States. And were Iran eventually to accept some deal, American aid would merely be sustaining Iran's regime--and, inexorably, a covert nuclear program. We are teaching the Islamic totalitarians in Gaza, Lebanon and Iran that their goal of destroying us is legitimate; that aggression is practical; that the more aggressive they are, the more we will surrender. U.S.-Israeli policy has demonstrated that we lack the intellectual self-confidence to name, let alone condemn, our enemies--and that we lack the will to deal with threats mercilessly. It vindicates the Islamists' premise that their religious worldview can bring a scientific, technologically advanced West to its knees. To protect the lives of our citizens, America and Israel must stop evading the nature of the enemy's cause: our complete destruction. We must stop appeasing our common enemy--and embrace self-defense as a matter of intransigent principle. To put an end to the current rocket attacks from Lebanon and Gaza, America should urge Israel to annihilate the annihilators: Hamas and Hezbollah. And to thwart Iran's nuclear ambition, America must use as much military force as is necessary to dispose of that catastrophic threat and the regime responsible for it. http://www.aynrand.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=12837&news_iv_ctrl=1021&printer_friendly=1
 
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S-2    RE:The U.S.-Israeli Suicide Pact   7/23/2006 9:53:05 PM
"But the majority of Palestinians actually seek the destruction of Israel, and the slaughter of its people." Even a noted and biased reporter like Steve Erlanger, NYT Jerusalem bureau chief, mentioned that it's really quite simple. Palestinians (and Arabs)must ask if they wish the destruction of Israel more than self-government. It would seem that the answer is clear, at least with Palestine. As long as the civilized world is prepared to subsidize their otherwise miserable existance to a level of acceptable tolerance, Palestinians much prefer to wage war.
 
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anuts    RE:The U.S.-Israeli Suicide Pact   7/23/2006 11:39:00 PM
From the West Bank to Gaza, Israeli concessions only invite more attacks from these creatures. Read Steyn's latest installment. http://www.suntimes.com/output/steyn/cst-edt-steyn23.html [pertinent passage from article] >>In one of the most admirably straightforward of Islamist declarations, Hussein Massawi, the Hezbollah leader behind the slaughter of U.S. and French forces 20 years ago, put it this way: "We are not fighting so that you will offer us something. We are fighting to eliminate you."<< And there you have it world. When will the rest wake up and realize what we're up against? If you don't feel comfortable in taking your trusted partners (on the same side of this fight...ya know-civilization) word for it, then please heed their own words. Their actions time and time again prove nothing less than that they truly mean it.
 
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EW3    RE:The U.S.-Israeli Suicide Pact   7/23/2006 11:46:39 PM
watchman ~~ "On Watch"?
 
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S-2    RE:The U.S.-Israeli Suicide Pact/EW3 Reply   7/24/2006 2:02:49 AM
I've noticed that Sofa employs the same "Let's Roll" signature as our missing provocateur, On Watch. Hmmm.
 
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Thomas    RE:The U.S.-Israeli Suicide Pact/EW3 Reply   7/24/2006 11:09:42 AM
I think it would be beneficial to look at the present situation in a broader perspective - as a part of the "War against Terror". If striking down Hizbolla is to be effective, the backers (Syria + Iran) will have to be elimininated as a threat as well. That is precisely what I think is in the making. The USA is playing for time and gearing up their forces. Whether those forces will be used or the mere presence will persuade recalcitrants to sense - that is an entirely different matter.
 
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Tiber1    RE:The U.S.-Israeli Suicide Pact/EW3 Reply   7/24/2006 4:19:37 PM
Pretty sure he's running around under 2 or 3 different names atm. I'm looking forward to him getting confused and signing under the incorrect names. =)
 
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sofa    RE:S-2   7/29/2006 11:14:31 PM
Sorry, but I'm not OW. Many folks use the term "Let's Roll" as a reminder of what's at stake, and as a reminder of our responsibilities to our families and country. "Let's Roll"
 
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jastayme3       9/2/2006 1:46:11 PM
I think the worry is less then it appears. We are squeemish because the threat appears distant to some. If  the danger became really threatening we would be as ruthless as any and when that happens woe betide the enemy. That was what happend in World War II. We aren't at that point yet-it is more like the thirties.



 
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2 Eagle       1/14/2008 5:01:26 PM

The Iran-Hamas-Hezbollah axis is fully responsible for initiating the war on Israel, but the Islamists' aggression is the logical product of U.S.-Israeli policy. The longstanding commitment of Israel and America to "diplomatic engagement" with Palestinians and Islamists--a euphemism for appeasement--is suicidal.

For decades America has urged Israel to placate and surrender to our common enemy. The U.S.-endorsed "Road Map to Peace," like the "Peace Process" and sundry initiatives before it, rationalized Palestinian terrorism as the result of a legitimate grievance. If only the Palestinians' wish for a civilized, peaceful state were fulfilled--Washington deluded itself into believing--terrorism would end. And fulfilling this wish requires not smashing their terrorist infrastructure, but showering them with land and loot.

But the majority of Palestinians actually seek the destruction of Israel, and the slaughter of its people. Because they embrace this vicious goal, hordes of Palestinians idolized arch terrorist Yasser Arafat for waging a terrorist war to wipe out Israel and establish a nationalist dictatorship. They abetted Arafat's terrorism and celebrated his atrocities. They served as cheerleaders or recruits for terrorist groups--and when they had the chance, they embraced the even more militant religious zealots of Hamas. It is no surprise that, according to a recent poll, 77 percent of Palestinians support their government's kidnapping of an Israeli soldier and that 60 percent support the continued rocket fire from Gaza into Israel.

But even as Palestinians mounted more attacks, Washington pressed Israel for more concessions--and bolstered the terrorist-sponsoring Palestinian Authority with millions of dollars in aid. The U.S. forbade Israel from laying a finger on Arafat, and extended this tender solicitude to Hamas leaders. Washington actually whitewashed the blood-stained Arafat and his crony Abbas as peace-loving statesmen and invited them to the White House. And when Hezbollah now fires rockets at major cities in northern Israel, President Bush demands that Israel show "restraint."

Depressingly, Israel has continually relented to American pressure to appease our common enemy. It has prostrated itself before the Palestinians, with flamboyantly self-sacrificial offers of land-for-peace; it has withdrawn from southern Lebanon, ceding ground necessary to its self-defense; it has withdrawn from Gaza, leaving its southern cities at the mercy of rocket fire from the Hamas-run territory.

Such U.S.-endorsed appeasement by Israel, across decades, has enabled Hezbollah and Hamas to mount their current attacks. Yet America remains undeterred in its commitment to appeasement.

The U.S. is now trying to woo Iran with endless offers of economic "incentives," if only Iran promises to stop chasing nuclear weapons. Evading Iran's lust to "wipe Israel off the map," evading its funding of Hezbollah and Hamas, evading its avowed enmity to America, evading its decades of fomenting and orchestrating a proxy terror war against American civilians--evading all of this, Washington deludes itself into believing that paying Iran off will, somehow, wipe out its hostility.

Inevitably, this encourages Iran to continue its aggressive support for terrorists and its fervent quest for nuclear weapons. Merely by prolonging the negotiations endlessly, Iran gains time to acquire a weapon to wield against its neighbors, to provide to Hamas and Hezbollah or to other proxies to use against the United States. And were Iran eventually to accept some deal, American aid would merely be sustaining Iran's regime--and, inexorably, a covert nuclear program.

We are teaching the Islamic totalitarians in Gaza, Lebanon and Iran that their goal of destroying us is legitimate; that aggression is practical; that the more aggressive they are, the more we will surrender. U.S.-Israeli policy has demonstrated that we lack the intellectual self-confidence to name, let alone condemn, our enemies--and that we lack the will to deal with threats mercilessly. It vindicates the Islamists' premise that their religious worldview can bring a scientific, technologically advanced West to its knees.

To protect the lives of our citizens, America and Israel must stop evading the nature of the enemy's cause: our complete destruction. We must stop appeasing our common enemy--and embrace self-defense as a matter of intransigent principle. To put an end to the current rocket attacks from Lebanon and Gaza, America should urge Israel to annihilate the annihilators: Hamas and Hezbollah. And to thwart Iran's nuclear ambition, America must use as much military fo
 
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Ezekiel       1/15/2008 12:39:44 AM
Sometimes its hard being the only sane one in a room filled with crazies....Its hard being McMurphy (protagonist in one flew over the Koo Koo's nest). The US hears it from all different directions about the spurrious 'occupation' . Arabs play the victim card all to well, china and russia motivated by oil, will support their claim due to their opportunistic nature. Europe has identity crisis going on, and the anti israel rhetoric in their media is scary and then the US looks to Israel that looks like its got a case of stockholm syndrome, with olmert the ultimate stooge telling the US, it also wishes to end the 'occupation'. It makes sense then for Condi to liken the palestinian cause to the civil rights greivances of the 50's she personally experienced....b/c when it comes down to this conflict, anything, and I mean anything goes. Just make something up, and the more outlandish it becomes the more traction it will have on audiences around the world keen on watching the Jews fight with the Arabs. I understand the US, it is only doing what the world would have it do. But Israel I will never understand, they have create a policy of wilfull self-mutilation, in the guise peace and benevolence...its disturbing to the Israeli psychosis on display and made into a carnival that we now know as ANNAPOLIS!

Like I said in previous posts, Israel has in power the weakest leadership it has ever had since its re-establishment, and olmert will do just about anything to hold to his seat that he spent 30+ yrs trying to attain. So if that means crossing all red lines at the behest of America and at the cost of soveriegnty it matters little. Like nurse ratchet Condi will not stop either until Israel has sheared off all its limbs. Only israel can expect to look out for Israel, and if they won't look after their own interest, its a pretty hard sale in todays context to have America buck the system by itself and stand for a strong Israel.

 
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