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Subject: Required Reading on What is AntiSemitism
swhitebull    8/18/2006 2:23:33 PM
Excellent analysis when people say that Arabs are semites, too, so they cant be "anti-semitic" Jonah Goldberg, National Review, 2003: ANTI-SEMITISM [Jonah Goldberg] Stanley's post reminded me of a point I've been meaning to bring up for a while. Many Arab anti-Semites like to say "I can't be anti-Semitic, I am a Semite!" This is, of course, an ignorant dodge. The word "anti-Semitism" was coined by Wilhelm Marr in Germany in 1879 because the common word for Jew-hatred, Judenhass, had gone out of style. The only major population of "semites" in Germany at the time were, of course, Jews and Marr hated them. Anyway, because the word is a dodge, many Jew-haters in the US get to play silly games with it too. But the opposition to this war by the anti-Semites simply underscores how they really are Jew-haters. After all, a real anti-Semite should love this war because Arabs are, in fact, Semites too. In this sense the US is simply hunting where the ducks are. Yet even at this level these guys are hypocrites, because its not Semites they dislike, it's just the Hebrew ones. Just a thought. swhitebull
 
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Thomas    RE:Required Reading on What is AntiSemitism   8/20/2006 5:33:32 PM
I think the basis of anti-semitism is selfpity. The Russian pogroms - Russia has always been a administrative disaster - no wonder everything has gone down the toilet for them. Hitler's Germany couldn't get to terms with having lost WW1: They had beaten the crap out of Europe - and were surprised that nobody liked them. The Arabs: Tiny Israel is the reason for all their troubles. The Arabs accuse the west of not understanding and not caring about them - what is so interesting about the arab nations?
 
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jastayme3    RE:Required Reading on What is AntiSemitism   8/22/2006 6:15:18 PM
I think the basis of anti-semitism is selfpity. The Russian pogroms - Russia has always been a administrative disaster - no wonder everything has gone down the toilet for them. Hitler's Germany couldn't get to terms with having lost WW1: They had beaten the crap out of Europe - and were surprised that nobody liked them. The Arabs: Tiny Israel is the reason for all their troubles. The Arabs accuse the west of not understanding and not caring about them - what is so interesting about the arab nations? ____________________________________ It does seem to have something to do with envy. British anti-semiteism was more sneering then murdurous-in was essentially another type of snobbery. The Nazis seem to have been trying to convince themselves they were superior. As for the Arabs, if they had put as much fanaticism into making their own deserts bloom they might have had something to be proud of.
 
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WinsettZ    RE:Required Reading on What is AntiSemitism   8/23/2006 1:20:32 AM
An offtopic response to the third paragraph: Oil.
 
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jastayme3       10/20/2006 8:39:57 PM

An offtopic response to the third paragraph:

Oil.


A response to the response: found by infidels.
 
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jastayme3       10/17/2007 1:23:59 AM

One thing that is remarkable is that many of the stereotypes of Jews have a positive as well as negative interpretation and therefore a philo and an anti can have a similar picture and perceive it almost opposite, because of their emotional makeup. It is suprising no one has mentioned it.

for instance Jews are:

Anti-semite: "An evil conspiracy to rule the world!"/ Philo-semite:"What have you been smoking?!"

OK just kidding. But here are some real examples of what I am talking about.

Anti: "Timid"   /  Philo: "Peaceful"

Anti: "Militaristic Imperialists" /Philo: "Make the desert bloom and God bless the IDF"

Obviously these are contradictory if Jews are percieved as monalithic. Which proves again that while stereotypes can be useful in identifying shared characteristics(all groups share characteristics or they wouldn't be groups) when they become monolithic they are irrational as well as cruel.

Jews are:

Anti: "Money-grubing"/Philo: "enterpriseing"

Anti: "Cunning"/ Philo: "Intelligent"

Anti: "Only care for their own"/ Philo: "Care a lot for their own"

Anti: "Fanatical"/ Philo: "Devoted"

Anti: "Tribalistic"/Philo: "What's wrong with that?"

Anti: "Rootless"/Philo: " 'Well-Travelled', 'Citizens of the World', etc"

Anti: "Dual Loyalty"/Philo: "Maintain Ties"

And on, and on







 
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jastayme3       10/17/2007 1:32:06 AM


One thing that is remarkable is that many of the stereotypes of Jews have a positive as well as negative interpretation and therefore a philo and an anti can have a similar picture and perceive it almost opposite, because of their emotional makeup. It is suprising no one has mentioned it.

for instance Jews "are":

Anti-semite: "An evil conspiracy to rule the world!"/ Philo-semite:"What have you been smoking?!"

OK just kidding. But here are some real examples of what I am talking about.

Anti: "Timid"   /  Philo: "Peaceful"

Anti: "Militaristic Imperialists" /Philo: "Make the desert bloom and God bless the IDF"

Obviously these are contradictory if Jews are percieved as monalithic. Which proves again that while stereotypes can be useful in identifying shared characteristics(all groups share characteristics or they wouldn't be groups) when they become monolithic they are irrational as well as cruel.

Jews "are":

Anti: "Money-grubing"/Philo: "enterpriseing"

Anti: "Cunning"/ Philo: "Intelligent"

Anti: "Only care for their own"/ Philo: "Care a lot for their own"

Anti: "Fanatical"/ Philo: "Devoted"

Anti: "Tribalistic"/Philo: "What's wrong with that?"

Anti: "Rootless"/Philo: " 'Well-Travelled', 'Citizens of the World', etc"

Anti: "Dual Loyalty"/Philo: "Maintain Ties"

And on, and on







to clarify I have added quotation marks around the word "are" which can only be partly true at most.

 
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SGTObvious       10/19/2007 1:35:15 PM
 
 
Anti semitism is clearly illogical.  If we were to believe claims that "the Jews control the world", well, then they must suck at it if you look at how things have gone for them in the world.
 
And if it were true that the Israel lobby controls the US, then the Sixth Fleet would be anchored off Gaza, blasting away whenever a rocket flies out of Gaza.  That's what we would do to a neighbor that bombards us, certainly we would do nothing less if Israel controlled us.
 
Heck, Cuba?  1962?  We were prepared to launch the nukes because an unfriendly neighbor merely HAD rockets!
 
We don't take well to things like that.  The Israelis show far more restraint than we ever would.
 
SGTObvious
 
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jastayme3       10/19/2007 4:27:26 PM

 

 

Anti semitism is clearly illogical.  If we were to believe claims that "the Jews control the world", well, then they must suck at it if you look at how things have gone for them in the world.

 

And if it were true that the Israel lobby controls the US, then the Sixth Fleet would be anchored off Gaza, blasting away whenever a rocket flies out of Gaza.  That's what we would do to a neighbor that bombards us, certainly we would do nothing less if Israel controlled us.

 

Heck, Cuba?  1962?  We were prepared to launch the nukes because an unfriendly neighbor merely HAD rockets!

 

We don't take well to things like that.  The Israelis show far more restraint than we ever would.

 

SGTObvious

Of course it is and I never could understand it. But then I never could understand hating someone who hasn't done anything to you and your's and was unlikly to. But I did find it interesting how many of the things given as "reasons" had a possitive as well as a negative connotation depending on which angle they are viewed from.

 
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Ezekiel       10/21/2007 1:23:13 PM
read deuteronomy it spells it out.

Also sartre's "anti semite & jew"

 
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jastayme3       10/21/2007 8:14:12 PM

read deuteronomy it spells it out.

Also sartre's "anti semite & jew"


Where in Deut? Oh and as a side note I thought I heard somewhere that your version doesn't use chapter-and-verse(admitedly arbitrary, but convenient) like ours and uses a different system-if so can it be "translated" so I can find it?
 
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