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Subject: The Bush doctrine HUGS the Iranian bomb
Ezekiel    12/9/2007 12:25:19 PM
What this intelligence has done has effectively neutralized the military option in Bush's last year. For whatever reasons the Bush doctrine is dead and buried with the two evil axis getting hugs and of the day. Bush just wrote Kim a nice letter to make sure he dismantles the nukes he was never supposed to have. And Iran is now being dealt with in detante rather then strategic dialogue, given a diplomatic pass. What this means for the future of the region and Israel is mind blowing. Israel has NO CHOICE, and the Israeli public will not allow for a nuclear Iran... so what is the future of this region when the paradigm is an Israel military engagement of Iran... How does this play out? WHere will America stand once such an engagement occurs? And the finale will Israel prove successful and at the same time retain the special relationship with US after all is said and done???
 
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Shirrush       12/9/2007 4:41:44 PM

 Israel has NO CHOICE, and the Israeli public will not allow for a nuclear Iran...
Don't fool yourself. The Israeli public knows that we're small and they're big, they're right and we're wrong, and there's nothing we can do about it!
Every family here has an evacuation plan, and so do I. I know where my trench is, but I'll certainly make sure to get my kids on a plane in time.

The special relationship with the US looks more and more like it's history. After all, the Arabs and the Iranians have the oil, and there's nothing Israel can do to help the US out of Iraq. Allies of superpowers are allies as long as they're useful. When they become a liability, they are discarded like a used piece of toilet paper.

 
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VelocityVector       12/9/2007 6:42:33 PM

The special relationship with the US looks more and more like it's history. After all, the Arabs and the Iranians have the oil, and there's nothing Israel can do to help the US out of Iraq. Allies of superpowers are allies as long as they're useful. When they become a liability, they are discarded like a used piece of toilet paper.

The US has supported Israel plenty.  We've paid for your country's assessments with blood and treasure (that would be MY pocketbook).  You have exploited our technology and information for mere profit.  You are #4 arms exporter.  Israel has announced that it can counter NIE assessment.  Let's see the goods if you have them.  Else shame on you for posting this.

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YelliChink       12/9/2007 7:03:24 PM


Don't fool yourself. The Israeli public knows that we're small and they're big, they're right and we're wrong, and there's nothing we can do about it!
Every family here has an evacuation plan, and so do I. I know where my trench is, but I'll certainly make sure to get my kids on a plane in time.

The special relationship with the US looks more and more like it's history. After all, the Arabs and the Iranians have the oil, and there's nothing Israel can do to help the US out of Iraq. Allies of superpowers are allies as long as they're useful. When they become a liability, they are discarded like a used piece of toilet paper.

Given the total number as well as population density of Ashkenazi Jews in Israel, it is a good policy for Israel to develop replacement and renewable energy source (possibly even better water desalination process), so that, when oil is running out, Israel will become the new gold mine to the US, hence reverse the US foreign policy in Israel's favor.
 
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RockyMTNClimber    Fatherly advice   12/9/2007 8:19:42 PM
The special relationship with the US looks more and more like it's history. After all, the Arabs and the Iranians have the oil, and there's nothing Israel can do to help the US out of Iraq. Allies of superpowers are allies as long as they're useful. When they become a liability, they are discarded like a used piece of toilet paper.<Shirrush

Maybe you don't need our assistance after all. Like the young adult who finally is ready to be out on his own you are making sounds like its time for you to run all of your own risks in the big bad world. The Cold War is over and you don't need US anymore. Our assistance comes with too many strings and is now interfering with your future plans. Very well then....
 
I sincerely wish you all the best and God's speed with your adventure.
 
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Ezekiel       12/10/2007 12:36:31 AM

The special relationship with the US looks more and more like it's history. After all, the Arabs and the Iranians have the oil, and there's nothing Israel can do to help the US out of Iraq. Allies of superpowers are allies as long as they're useful. When they become a liability, they are discarded like a used piece of toilet paper.<Shirrush

Maybe you don't need our assistance after all. Like the young adult who finally is ready to be out on his own you are making sounds like its time for you to run all of your own risks in the big bad world. The Cold War is over and you don't need US anymore. Our assistance comes with too many strings and is now interfering with your future plans. Very well then....

 

I sincerely wish you all the best and God's speed with your adventure.

 

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Rocky

I agree with this....

the fact of the matter is if given the right leadership in Israel, Israel doesn't need the US other then being allies in the diplomatic spheres, Israel would be able to take care of itself and be able to govern its region possibly better then it is doing now with the US strings attached to every move it makes.

The Bush about face on Iran has definite consequence in the Israeli attitude toward the American protectorate and its largesse, this certainly won't change under olmert and probably the next guy...but this is a huge precedent when Israel assess's its national security and the US dependability for its future leadership.

As Rocky says Israel has grown its time to leave the nest, and it looks to me that the US just gave israel a nice nudge in the direction of the door.

 
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battar    Fat dumb and happy   12/10/2007 3:26:20 PM
I get the impression that there are some citizens of the USA posting on this site who are sitting fat dumb and happy under the stars and bars thinking its' no skin of their nose if the Iranians point nuclear tipped missiles at Tel-Aviv.
Well here is a thought. The Iranians probably won't do that. Missiles have a return address, and the retaliation you risk with a nuclear strike is not worth thinking about.  What the Iranians MIGHT do is distribute boxes full of enriched Uranium 235 among Isalmic fanatic folk even loonier than themselves, who will then export these boxes labeled "spare parts for tractors" to local terrorists who will then explode them in shopping malls in New-York/San-Diego/Seattle/Tel-Aviv/London etc spraying clouds of radioactive dust over a wide and densely populated area. And you will never know where it came from. Look up "radiation sickness".  I didn't invent that theory. It is a threat scenario that the CIA take seriously. And if it ever does happen, you will know who provided the Uranium, even if you don't know who blew it in your face. I think the USA have to look out for themselves, too.
 
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VelocityVector       12/10/2007 3:45:01 PM

I get the impression that there are some citizens of the USA posting on this site who are sitting fat dumb and happy under the stars and bars . . .

You can do better than that I would like to believe.  Regardless, the primative appeals don't move us anymore, their overuse (abuse) has desensitized us to them.

Show us the clear and convincing evidence, Israeli intelligence apparatus, as you recently have said you would do.

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battar    Still Asleep   12/10/2007 5:05:28 PM
I didn't mean to insult any freedom loving American citizen, of course. But never mind the evidence, there is evidence enough that the world is full of Islamic fanatics who are willing to do great harm to the USA - I don't need to remind you of examples - are you going to risk remaining defenceless against them just because you haven't got enough evidence? The USA didn't have a lot of evidence that the Japanese were going to attack Pearl Harbour or that Al-Quaida were going to attack New-York, are you going to fall for it again?  If you hang around too long waiting for evedence you might get it delivered by the owner and you wont like it.
 
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VelocityVector    Still Asleep   12/10/2007 5:14:49 PM

I didn't mean to insult any freedom loving American citizen, of course. But never mind the evidence, there is evidence enough that the world is full of Islamic fanatics who are willing to do great harm to the USA - I don't need to remind you of examples - are you going to risk remaining defenceless against them just because you haven't got enough evidence? The USA didn't have a lot of evidence that the Japanese were going to attack Pearl Harbour or that Al-Quaida were going to attack New-York, are you going to fall for it again?  If you hang around too long waiting for evedence you might get it delivered by the owner and you wont like it.

Nah.  You can be our canary in the coal mine for U.S.  What with your sense of entitlement and all.

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Bob       12/10/2007 5:17:31 PM

The special relationship with the US looks more and more like it's history. After all, the Arabs and the Iranians have the oil, and there's nothing Israel can do to help the US out of Iraq. Allies of superpowers are allies as long as they're useful. When they become a liability, they are discarded like a used piece of toilet paper.
We cooperated on the Syrian operation in September, remember?

 
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