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Subject: Air Supremacy; USA vs Russia
human6    12/1/2002 7:02:06 PM
I have been doing a lot of research and it appears that the Russian Su-37 is currently the most technologically advanced plane in the world. I do not want to hear about the JSF or F-22 as they are not in production yet. Besides the Russians have a counter plane to the JSF, the PAK FA or I-2000/Interceptor-2000/Istribityel-2000. http://www.aeronautics.ru/nws001/janes004.htm
 
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EagleDominance    RE:Air Supremacy; USA vs Russia   12/6/2002 5:12:32 PM
Wrong. The F-22 is in production. 10 were ordered this year for Nellis AFB, NV. 23 are tasked for 2003 Tyndall AFB, FL. 23 more are tasked for the following year for Langley AFB, VA. How many Su-37s can the Russians even afford?
 
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macawman    RE:Air Supremacy; USA vs Russia   12/7/2002 8:46:25 PM
The question is how many F-22s can the US afford? The numbers are being racheted downward on a yearly basis as costs go up.
 
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human6    RE:Air Supremacy; USA vs Russia   12/8/2002 7:55:18 PM
Can any plane in the US arsenal do what a SU-37 can do? Check it out: http://www.strategypage.com/gallery/default.asp?target=seu.htm
 
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VaeVictis    RE:Air Supremacy; USA vs Russia   12/31/2002 10:13:53 AM
Really, the SU-37 is a damn good fighter but what good does such agility really give you? A human being can only handle at max 9-10 G's while a missle can handle 30 and up. The russians should be focusing on stealth, a missle cannot hit what it cannot see. Also within the next decade the US will have a small constellation of laser satellites up capable of hitting targets near the ground and up, how can fighters resist that? It's the ultimate high ground. Not to mention hround based lasers under development that have been tested very successfully even destroying artillery rounds in flight. Seems to me the Russians are chasing a golden goose with the Su-37 they should be focusing on a counter for stealth and lasers and how it will change forever the face of war.
 
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Final Historian    RE:Air Supremacy; USA vs Russia   12/31/2002 10:01:47 PM
Well said. Far better for the enemy to have trouble seeing you than to have trouble hitting you. If anything has been proven in this information age, its this: What you can see, you can hit. And what you can hit, you can kill.
 
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Jay    RE:Air Supremacy; USA vs Russia   1/2/2003 12:48:32 PM
The F-22 is the most combat capable air to air fighter in the world right now. The rumblings I hear about the JSF are less complimentary, one gets the impression it's the proverbial jack of all trades and master of none. But even the oldest US fighters still in service possess a secret weapon which puts them head and shoulders above their Russian counterparts. Fuel.
 
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Phoenix Rising    RE:Air Supremacy; USA vs Russia   1/2/2003 1:08:19 PM
LOL Nice one, Jay. Of course, if a real war reached Russian soil, Russia might have to step on a few commercial contracts to get fuel, but if they really need it, they have it. My punch line would have been "pilots." --PR
 
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Final Historian    RE:Air Supremacy; USA vs Russia   1/2/2003 10:00:05 PM
Thats funny, mine would have been "spare parts." It seems that they haven't made any since the USSR, and the latest war in Chechnya used up all of their spares. So they can only fly a small percentage of their air force at any time, because they had to cannablize the rest of their planes.
 
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human7    RE:Air Supremacy; USA vs Russia   1/5/2003 4:26:13 PM
Careful guys, the greatest weapon our enemies possess is American Arrogance. What happens when these highly maneuverable Su-37 become stealth? Historically speaking, it seems as soon as the US comes out with new technology, its not long before the Russians top us. And they do it without budgets of Billions of dollars...
 
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displacedjim    RE:Air Supremacy; USA vs Russia   2/1/2003 12:44:12 AM
If you don't want to talk about the F-22 and F-35 because they're not in production, then don't talk about the Su-37 either, for the same reason. Swell, the Su-37 can bleed off all its energy by stalling out and hanging in space--I hope to God that's exactly what all enemy pilots always do whenever we go to war. We'll gladly match their "Cobra manuver" against our Sidewinder or AMRAAM every time, and then it's back to the club to shoot their watches off while showing the other fighter jocks about their kills that day. The F-22 is in limited production, and may or may not remain that way. Meanwhile, the F-35 will enter massive production within the next couple years. Not only will the F-35 have the best air-to-ground radar in the world, it will have the best air-to-air radar, with the possible exception of the F-22's. It will carry the best air-to-air missile in the world. It will be the stealthiest air-to-air fighter in the world by a wide margin, stealthier than even the F-22. It will have plenty of legs, and be plenty fast (rumor has it it may be able to go supersonic without afterburner). Oh, and also we're going to have over 2000 of them! And, to acknowledge other posts, we'll have the trained pilots, fuel, and spare parts to fly them. And all of this is legislatively a done deal, unlike the F-22 program. Jim Habermehl
 
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