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andyf    8/3/2007 5:18:05 PM
If you could go back to a certain era in history and give the natives one invention < that you know how to build , obviously> who /when and what?
 
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Treadgar       8/8/2007 10:16:23 AM
I could go back with the concept of modern bullets and breech loading rifles on the American frontier. It seems to me the concept would be achievable in those times. Tell me I'm wrong and I'm willing to listen.

Treadgar
 
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buzzard       8/8/2007 1:35:16 PM

I could go back with the concept of modern bullets and breech loading rifles on the American frontier. It seems to me the concept would be achievable in those times. Tell me I'm wrong and I'm willing to listen.

Treadgar  
Define when you mean as the American frontier. Considering that as soon as such weapons were developed they were taken to the U.S. frontier, you can't really complain much. The introduction had to await the development of percussion caps (and eventually primers). In the 1840s Colt introduced his revolvers, and those were effectively breech loaded after a fashion. Anything substancially better had to await the development of metallic cartridges with primers. That pushes us up to the 1860s.


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buzzard       8/8/2007 1:38:17 PM
I rather think the Romans or Byzantines could have implemented Bessimer steel processing. Now granted, this process doesn't produce the greatest steel (hence it not being used), but compared to the steel of that era, it would be world shaking.

You'd probably also want to throw in the steam engine since it is this, and good metal which did much to make the industrial revolution possible.

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andyf       8/8/2007 2:20:21 PM
myself.. i'd give the redcoats of king george the APDS round for the musket
well, a nastily forged iron finned bolt and wooden sabot
followed by the minie ball and rifling
 
 
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Nanheyangrouchuan       8/9/2007 1:29:18 AM
I'd introduce simple generator technology to Egyptians.  They had natural magnets, they had copper, teach them how to make simple coils, then they could make arc furnaces for steel as well as lighting.
 
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doggtag       8/9/2007 7:17:30 AM
I remember seeing on the History Channel about some Roman engineer who actually had the key to steam-powered mechanical energy at his fingertips, in the form of a flask of water, with two protruding angled pipes, suspended over a fire. When the water inside was hot enough, the venting steam spun the flask.
It was seen as little more than a curiosity.
Now imagine if he, or someone, made the connection that it could be scaled up and used to actually turn an axle connected to various mechanical devices.
Imagine the sight of steam-driven Roman warships (either paddle wheelers, or maybe some lucky git stumbles upon the idea of the propellor) sailing up against anyone else in the Mediterranean...
Imagine if the Roman Empire had started the Industrial Revolution...
 
...now fast forward to the Middle Ages...would we have generally progressed at the same pace scientifically as we have in the last 1/2 millennium?
What if Leonardo daVinci actually had access to internal combustion engines, even an early gas turbine, that might actually have allowed him to truly create the first flyable helicopter?
Or what if he had access to electricity, or composite material construction?
Could mankind then have stepped on the moon a century and a half ago then, or even earlier?
 
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Treadgar       8/9/2007 9:42:36 AM
My definition of the American frontier has to involve what I was thinking of at the time, and that was when the French, English, and Spanish first came over, a good deal of time before the 1860s. I'm not really complaining, it was just a thought experiment by someone not intimately familiar with the technical jargon of firearm construction and evolution.

Treadgar
 
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Jeff_F_F       8/10/2007 2:21:50 PM
That is a truely intriguing thought. If that technology could have staved off the collapse of the empire we could have skipped well over a millenia of human history. Consider also that the greeks of that era had already developed mechanical computers and the amazing level of surgical skill of Roman doctors.
 
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Ehran       8/10/2007 2:43:42 PM
give the romans the telegraph for instance.  black powder would have been another one.
explain to them about lead poisoning would have been a heck of an idea too.
 
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Wicked Chinchilla       8/10/2007 3:00:00 PM
Yeah, I think the simple knowledge of lead poisoning would have helped out the Romans quite a bit as well.
 
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