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Subject: costs of Artilery
murabit821    6/16/2007 7:33:09 PM
Have anyone some info about costs of Artilery systems ? i mean not just cost of Gun, Launcher, but also support and command vehicles , rounds etc. thanks
 
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Carl S       6/16/2007 11:43:26 PM
My knowledge is over a decade old, but we had a document that showed amoung other things the 'official' cash value of each piece of equipment in the battery and battalion. ie: M17A1 Mask Protective $ 110.00.

A Humvee was around $35,000.  M16A3 rifles under $ 300

I signed for a complete battery outfit a couple times but never bothered to look at the total value.  A complete battery (eight howitzers then) was somewhere north of five million US dollars, perhaps ten million.  Depends partly on if the battery was with its parent battalion, or attached to a MEU battalion landing team and carrying extra equipment.

Cant recall any accurate numbers for ammo cost, tho $ 800 for a common HE round pops into mind.  Roughly four hundred of those in a batterys basic load back then.
 
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IsoT       7/3/2007 7:21:08 AM
In my times in Finland's heavy in 1989/90 one M-83 155mm cannon was at million marks. That would be about 170 K€ without any inflation and about million € today including valuechanges. "New" 155mm grenades+ charge were, if recollection serves, at 40 000 Fmarks (seems awfully lot, but thein it was a new system, today it would be considerably less) that would have been about 6000€ a pop.
this considereng that we usually fired 75mm Betlehem Steel factorey's cannons from the year 1917. (we fired them to help train Forward Observers,) The grenades costed nothing as they had been made during 2nd WW, and were paid for then at pretty much at the end of their usefull shelflife anyway.

Last time I had a refresher we fired 130mm cannons in new batallion formation, so 18 cannons  formation at single target. Grenades were soviet/russian so the price was at about 500€ a pop. This make a single broadside salvo from a batallion at target cost 9000€.
 
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Carl S       7/4/2007 7:06:29 AM
 
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Carl S       7/4/2007 7:10:17 AM
Well I see this web site is still as sloppy as ever, losing the test of posts seems routine.


IsoT wrote:

"...75mm Betlehem Steel factorey's cannons from the year 1917."

Do you mean cannon built by the Bethlehem Steel Corporation in the US?  Does the Finnish Army still have these cannon today? 
 
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IsoT       7/4/2007 2:25:36 PM
Hi,

I was out in 1990 and since there still was LOADS of ammo for Bethlehems 75 we shot them in training for FOs. In gunside we fired different  hardware 122mm D-30 and 130mm (was it M-46, but THE ONE anyway) and 155mm M-83.

The Bethlehems were worn out and one had to help the barrel move all the way froward sometimes, but  they filled their purpose...

They (75mm) have been phased out since, but  in 1980 they still fired the 76mm pushka from 1902... as there were ammo and charges.
 
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Yimmy       7/4/2007 3:02:42 PM
And I was going to say the D-30 was ancient....

The M46 is supposed to be a very good gun though.


 
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IsoT       7/5/2007 11:11:38 AM
D-30 is OK piece, you can get full 360 arc, and thus can quickly open up at targets that suddenly appear at the rear (Like airborne landings and such) Range isn't anything to shout about, but as it is brigade's artilleryregiment's light piece, it doesn't really matter  (as a rule brigade fires firesupport for infantry, and the range of about 10km into enemys rear is quite sufficent.) M-46 on the other hand servs usually in army group, and her +20km into enemys rear is really nice if you pick up HQs depots or troop concentrations. What hampers the 130mm is that there isn't that much differnt ammotypes apart from HE and WP. For example there isn't guided ammo for them, but of course most of the targets are quite nicely served by ample HE in premises..8)
 
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Yimmy       7/5/2007 11:36:39 AM
Russia recently pressed into service a new 130mm gun to serve as a coastal defence weapon, so I wouldn't be surprised if guided rounds come around in the near future.


 
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lieutenant       12/22/2007 6:32:08 PM
In Turkish land forces a modern 155 caliber FIRTINA (Storm) s cost is around 5 million dolar. It is made in Turkey.In a battery have 4 artillery it makes 20 million dollar except other supporting systems.All of them (fire direction centre, fire support team and other lojistic vehicle and equipments etc.) I thing a battery cost is 30 million dollar around in Turkey.
 
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Carl S       12/22/2007 9:26:51 PM
Which model cannon is this?  I am not familar with the Turkish arsenal.
 
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