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Subject: Honor?
On Watch    9/28/2005 2:25:46 AM
Honor Killing in Denmark http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/pictures/DenmarkHonorKilling092305.jpg The Dark Ages come to Denmark in broad daylight, as a Pakistani man murders his sister in a public street: Bror draebte sin soester. (Hat tip: Shiplord Kirel.) Calmly and methodically, big brother stoops over his little sister while shooting one projectile after the other into her. Her spouse, affected by several shots to the abdomen, can only look on helplessly, while his wife is executed by her own family. The original Danish report is here: Ekstra Bladet. http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/ Let's Roll
 
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TheArmchairCmd    RE:Honor?   9/28/2005 4:22:16 AM
This is a very nasty tradition indeed. But it looks as if most of the pakistani community condemns it as unislamic and dishonorable. However, I doubt the more tradition bound immigrants are affected by this. http://www.jp.dk/english_news/artikel:aid=3287446/
 
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TheArmchairCmd    RE:Honor?   9/28/2005 4:22:16 AM
This is a very nasty tradition indeed. But it looks as if most of the pakistani community condemns it as unislamic and dishonorable. However, I doubt the more tradition bound immigrants are affected by this. http://www.jp.dk/english_news/artikel:aid=3287446/
 
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Thomas    RE:Honor?   9/28/2005 4:27:57 AM
The case has been reported quite thoroughly in this country. 1. It was the brother of the pakistani girl, that killed her and attempted to kill her afghan husband. 2. The problem is with the father of the girl, as he retains strong connections with Pakistan - and as such has no desire to integrate into the Danish community. Generally: The Danish authorities have - and continues to have - protection for young immigrant women, that do not follow the demands from their parents of marrying a designated husband. The problem is very high on the political agenda. The government has passed a law a couple of years ago, that conditions that nobody under the age of 24 can bring his/her spouse to Denmark and the total connection of the couple to Denmark must be larger than 50%.
 
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On Watch    RE:Honor Killing: costs thereof   9/28/2005 8:50:42 AM
So much for a 'religion of peace'! While it does sound hopeful that DK has established a couple of safehouses and some immigration tweaks -- apparently though this murdered teenage girl 'fell through the cracks' in the safety net. What I'd be interested in knowing is, when convicted what punishment will the murderer be subject to? Certainly a firing squad would be to good for him, but what is the price that this bastard will be required to pay by Danish Society? "Let's Roll"
 
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TheArmchairCmd    RE:Honor Killing: costs thereof   9/28/2005 9:07:13 AM
Don't get disappointed OW, but we don't have the death penalty in DK. What is likely going to happen is that the brother will get life imprisonment which usually means 16 years. If he has no danish or a dual citizenship (dan/pak)he will face expulsion. If the father ordered the murder he would probably face 6-8 plus. If he has no danish or a dual citizenship he will also face expulsion. The courts will dish out what they can give, as this kind of killing is not looked upon lightly. Especially in the absence of any mediating surcomstances. I don't particularily associate religion with 'honor killings' as I think they're a relic of tribal culture. TAC
 
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On Watch    Liberal Verdicts: costs thereof   9/29/2005 2:57:18 AM
Thanks for the guided peek inside the Penal Colony TAC...Yes, I did hope they'd impale the SOB on one of those Castle spires(dragon Tails) over there. However, it seems the Danes are getting to be even more judicially touchy-feely than the Brits were last year. >>I don't particularily associate religion with 'honor killings' as I think they're a relic of tribal culture. Ya think so? How bout this historic dustball? Tribal relic or religion? I find it instructive how the practice ceased to be. September 27, 2005 Britain's 200-year jihad On my travels for the past few days, I have been reading a book which tells the story of a quite astonishing part of British history of which I was previously unaware. In 'White Gold', Giles Milton records the appalling details -- gleaned,it appears, from a wealth of historical documents including diaries and letters -- of a seaborne Islamic jihad against Britain which lasted for no less than two centuries. From the early seventeenth to nineteenth centuries, thousands of British men women and children were kidnapped by Arab corsairs and sold into slavery in Morocco where they were kept in conditions of unspeakable barbarism. The astounding thing is that these British victims were not merely seized at sea where they ran the gauntlet of such pirates in places such as the Straits of Gibraltar. They were actually abducted from Britain itself. Corsairs from a place in Morocco called Sale -- who became known in Britain as the ‘Sally Rovers’ -- sailed up the Cornish coast in July 1625, for example, came ashore dressed in djellabas and wielding damascene scimitars, burst into the parish church at Mount’s Bay and dragged out 60 men women and children whom they shipped off to Morocco. Thousands more Britons were seized from their villages or their ships and dispatched to the hell-holes of the Moroccan slave pens, from where they were forced to work all hours in appalling conditions building the vast palace of the monstrous and psychopathic Sultan, Moulay Ismail, who tortured and butchered them at whim. Most of them perished, but the book records the survival of a tenacious Cornish boy Thomas Pellow, who survived 23 years of this ordeal and whose descendant, Lord Exmouth, finally ended the white slave trade when he destroyed Algiers in 1816. The book makes clear that this assault upon the British people (and upon Europeans and Americans who were similarly seized) was a jihad. The Sally Rovers, writes Milton, were called ‘al-ghuzat’-- the term once used for the soldiers who fought with the Prophet -- and were hailed as religious warriors engaged in a holy war against the infidel Christians who were pressurised to convert to Islam under threat of hideous punishment. What is even more striking was the response of the British crown. For almost two centuries, it made only the most ineffectual attempts to rescue its enslaved subjects. Those who had succumbed to the torture and inhumanity of the Sultan and converted to Islam were deemed to be no longer British and therefore outside the scope of any rescue. The pleas of Pellow’s parents were simply brushed aside. Popular outrage forced successive Kings to dispatch a series of feeble emissaries to try to get the Sultan to end this vile traffic and release the slaves, all to no avail. But this went on for virtually two centuries. For almost 200 years the British state either sat on its hands or wrung them impotently while the Islamic jihad seized, enslaved and butchered its people. And then it appears, this staggering onslaught was all but airbrushed out of our history. Food for disquieting thought. Let's Roll
 
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Thomas    RE:Liberal Verdicts: costs thereof   9/29/2005 3:52:00 AM
I once knew a man that said: Why live in Russia, when you can be in a Danish prison! He had tried both.
 
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On Watch    RE:Liberal Verdicts: costs thereof   9/29/2005 9:33:10 PM
>>Why live in Russia, when you can be in a Danish prison!<< Is that irony or what!? Curious though? What is the UN/Muslim/Human Rights Watch approved protein substitute for Danish Ham? Oh well maybe the cook will whack the Sister Killer in the head with his Aebleskiver pan! Let's Roll
 
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TheArmchairCmd    RE:Liberal Verdicts: costs thereof   9/29/2005 10:08:44 PM
>>Why live in Russia, when you can be in a Danish prison!<< Is that irony or what!? Dang! You beat me to posting this one! ;) How did you spot it? An æbleskiver pan do qualify as a weapon so I guess it belongs on a military forum. Re: Sentencing in DK. I have the distinct impression that the perpetrators feel it's not the jail that is the real punishment. It's being kicked out of the country and qua the Schengen Agreement out of Europe entirely.
 
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TheArmchairCmd    RE:Liberal Verdicts: costs thereof   9/29/2005 11:05:21 PM
Uh. Might have caused some confusion... Explanation. One of our members of parliament has suggested today that the jails should be outsourced to Russia since it was rougher sentence and would be cheaper at 4 $ a day. Hehe.
 
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