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Subject: Hey Ho,and away we go!
tommy atkins     2/24/2002 5:29:26 PM
Kosovo alone has the richest mineral resources in all of Europe west of Russia Oil access.Total proven oil reserves for the area are 335 million barrels, all in Croatia, Yugoslavia, and Albania. http://www.eia.doe.gov/cabs/balkans.html.Not the Richest at all is it?UK has far more than that in the Irish Sea alone! We have all been told that before the bombing began, all the diplomatic efforts did not yield any silver linings. What has not been mentioned in much detail is that Milosevic in fact did suggest that he would consider a UN or other, non-NATO force, but for the US, this was not the silver-lining that the US wanted http://www.alb-net.com/misc-pages/timeline.htm. A fair description of the chances the US & Un gave Serbia Destruction of infrastructure?(Apart from that in a 5 layered attack doctrine,when groundpounders are going to go in the targeting of infrastructure is a neccesity)...read CSIS PDF file "effectiveness of NATO AIR AND MISSILE CAMPAIGN)Just do a search for it on their site.It kind of blows your comments into a cocked hat. Largest base since Viet nam? Yokosuka-Japan 26,000 personell,Kuwait 4600,KFOR 4,500 and reducing.(IISS"the military balance"Just a pack of lies your source eh!) Now Ive answered those comments (again)Answer my Questions. Lets say for example the following happens. The British Army goes through the catholic Areas of northen Ireland Raping, Burning Houses and shooting all Males from 14-65.Then nick off with their tellys. The US and UN tell the brits to stop.But they carry on Defiantly,thousands of innocents are displaced and dying.The Brits say they are after the IRA.the world dosnt beleive them.Action is needed,and Fast. So an ultimatum is delivered. The Alternertive to this is Genocide for the catholics. NATO starts a precision bombing campaign taking out London Bridge,and AAA units of the British Army.The army responds by Quadrupling its efforts at Murder. Nato are then blamed for the increase in murder. Logical? What would your reaction have been if NATO had done nothing.the Kosovars would now be all displaced to Albania or theiy would have died.Returning Kosovars after the war found Serb familys had moved in from serbia proper into their homes.Reaction to this? I would be interested,as i think has been previously mentioned ,why is a devout socialist and defender of the meek like yourself has jumped on Slobbys Nationalistic bandwagon?
 
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Malrait    You're a joke, Atkins.   3/10/2002 3:28:26 AM
I heard your howlings. Hehehe. "The fly beats its tiny chest when the bull departs" (hey, I won, look, I won!). Pathetic, but then again, you have showed your cowardice more than once. Your behaviour here is quite revealing, isn't it? But enough about that. Prepare your buttocks for the coming spanking! -Kosovo alone has the richest mineral resources in all of Europe west of Russia. Your pathetic attempt at trying to counter that FACT is "oh, but there is not much oil". If you consider that an effective "countering", well now I understand why you constantly beat your chest when having achieved nothing. There is no countering there, Atkins. Kosovo is minerally interesting, and while that is not the primary reason for NATO intervention, it plays a role in it. -The "diplomatic" talks?! We all know that you torpedoed Rambouillet! Serbia agreed on everything except a NATO occupation, it preferred a UN occupation. That is perfectly normal. There is something called international law, remember? Don't feed me with the usual bullshit about "genocide", we now know we have been bullshitted with the numbers... -"A number of unofficial partition plans have been drawn up for Kosovo all raising the question of who would control an important northern mining region," the New York Times revealed. You did not reply to that, you coward. -"Since the bombing has ended, numerous US bases in the Balkans have been set up. A military base is being built in Kosovo, described as the largest US foreign base built since the Vietnam War". You did not answer that, you coward. But, well, if you again manage to utter "for humanitarian reasons", then the term "moron" is too gentle to describe you. Actually, this fact alone is sufficient to nuke your position. It is no surprise you avoided it twice (you coward). -"A leaked version of the Pentagon's 1994-1999 Defense Planning Guidance report advises that the United States "must seek to prevent the emergence of European-only security arrangements which would undermine NATO. Therefore, it is of fundamental importance to preserve NATO as the primary instrument of Western defense and security, as well as the channel for U.S. influence and participation in European security affairs.". This is setting a pretty serious precedent -- even though perhaps there may have been better options available, the US did not want to consider them, because it wanted to have a (leading) role in Europe's security affairs and keep Europe dependent on it". You did not reply to that point, you coward. This one is also enough to ridicule your "humanitarian" bullshit. But your most funny sentence, after all your cowardly fleeings and logical incoherence was "Now I've answered those comments (again)"... Atkins, you're a big, big joke. Please ANSWER MY POINTS!!!!! Malrait
 
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Malrait    RE:You're a joke, Atkins.   3/10/2002 3:30:27 AM
That hurt, didn't it? malrait
 
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tommy atkins    RE:You're a joke, Atkins.   3/11/2002 3:58:29 PM
No my gallicly challenged fraternal comrade,It diddnt hurt, but it did make me laugh so much i woke my room. Paragraph one.Hehehe. "The fly beats its tiny chest when the bull departs" (hey, I won, look, I won!). Pathetic, but then again, you have showed your cowardice more than once. Your behaviour here is quite revealing, isn't it? But enough about that. Prepare your buttocks for the coming spanking! Bent over and ready!When is this coming?I hope that the feeble effort just attempted wasnt it? Paragraph 2.oh, but there is not much oil". If you consider that an effective "countering", well now I understand why you constantly beat your chest when having achieved nothing. There is no countering there, Atkins. Kosovo is minerally interesting, and while that is not the primary reason for NATO intervention, it plays a role in it. The link and others show that Kosovo is minirally the same as most other European states with mountains.Perhaps the reason for Imperialst aggression against Portugal? third paragraph. -The "diplomatic" talks?! We all know that you torpedoed Rambouillet! Serbia agreed on everything except a NATO occupation, it preferred a UN occupation. That is perfectly normal. There is something called international law, remember? Don't feed me with the usual bullshit about "genocide", we now know we have been bullshitted with the numbers... a poor source from Steven Erlanger.Unsubstantiated and unresearched.Serbia accepts International non NATO forces indeed? Fourth. -"A number of unofficial partition plans have been drawn up for Kosovo all raising the question of who would control an important northern mining region," the New York Times revealed. You did not reply to that, you coward. UNOFFICIAL plans eh.To grab kosovos bounteous wealth?Sources? has the US gained control of these piss poor Tin mines?Sources? Fifth. -"Since the bombing has ended, numerous US bases in the Balkans have been set up. A military base is being built in Kosovo, described as the largest US foreign base built since the Vietnam War". You did not answer that, you coward. But, well, if you again manage to utter "for humanitarian reasons", then the term "moron" is too gentle to describe you. Actually, this fact alone is sufficient to nuke your position. It is no surprise you avoided it twice (you coward). OHHHHH Dear.I provided data that this was Crap.if you cant read then the term "fuc*witt" is too gentle for you. Lastly. A leaked version of the Pentagon's 1994-1999 Defense Planning Guidance report advises that the United States "must seek to prevent the emergence of European-only security arrangements which would undermine NATO. Therefore, it is of fundamental importance to preserve NATO as the primary instrument of Western defense and security, as well as the channel for U.S. influence and participation in European security affairs.". This is setting a pretty serious precedent -- even though perhaps there may have been better options available, the US did not want to consider them, because it wanted to have a (leading) role in Europe's security affairs and keep Europe dependent on it". You did not reply to that point, you coward. This one is also enough to ridicule your "humanitarian" bullshit. Oh.I diddnt answer it,what part of "Im glad the US HAS an interest in Europe" dont you understand? all Major powers have an interest in Regions.If its a freindly interest ...Great!If Its Hostile.....Why?Is it Justified? Is The Yanks wanting to preserve NATO realllllly your best shot at smearing the salvation of a nation which violently overthrew the Bastard who did all this dirt which shamed their nation,and is now paying for his crimes? Your Footnote. You really cant wriggle out of this Malriat. You posted indefensible Bolox and now try desperatly to cling to staggeringly poor insults. I am being deadly serious now.If you want to EVER stand a chance of winning against anyone except CP,Spike and Cheif you REALLY need to: 1:....have a valid response.Anything better than,"ooooh theres soooooo much Lead in kosovos hills,Theres a Yank base there now! cant they sleep in the open?,Serbia would have let in observers..a socialist journilist said so!" 2: Learn how to insult properly. The words "coward" and "pathetic" lack any punch at all.You need to use something that actually cuts a little.Its a poor show if your Nemisis is actually laughing! Chin Chin for now!
 
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tommy atkins    RE:You're a joke, Atkins.   3/11/2002 4:05:02 PM
Honestly mate,try to get a valid arguement in before regurgitating Socialist waffle.You would look less like a 14yr old fresh out of a "preperation for studies in politics" lesson!
 
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Malrait    RE:You're a joke, Atkins.- When will you stop fleeing?   3/12/2002 12:41:14 PM
Eluding my questions? What a surprise! I would never have thought you would flee again (you coward!)... -The "diplomatic" talks?! We all know that you torpedoed Rambouillet! Serbia agreed on everything except a NATO occupation, it preferred a UN occupation. That is perfectly normal. There is something called international law, remember? Don't feed me with the usual bullshit about "genocide", we now know we have been bullshitted with the numbers... ***You did not answer that, but made a vague comment again the socialist enemies of democracy, blah, blah, blah... - -"Since the bombing has ended, numerous US bases in the Balkans have been set up. A military base is being built in Kosovo, described as the largest US foreign base built since the Vietnam War". You did not answer that, you coward. But, well, if you again manage to utter "for humanitarian reasons", then the term "moron" is too gentle to describe you. Actually, this fact alone is sufficient to nuke your position. It is no surprise you avoided it twice (you coward). ***Still no answer but a vague reference to "a site I mentioned"... -A leaked version of the Pentagon's 1994-1999 Defense Planning Guidance report advises that the United States "must seek to prevent the emergence of European-only security arrangements which would undermine NATO. Therefore, it is of fundamental importance to preserve NATO as the primary instrument of Western defense and security, as well as the channel for U.S. influence and participation in European security affairs.". This is setting a pretty serious precedent -- even though perhaps there may have been better options available, the US did not want to consider them, because it wanted to have a (leading) role in Europe's security affairs and keep Europe dependent on it". You did not reply to that point, you coward. This one is also enough to ridicule your "humanitarian" bullshit. ***I repeat, to me, that is the primary reason for NATO intervention in Kosovo. Atkins, answer that frankly: How can you be moronic enough to claim that humanitarian concern was the main reason for intervention, whereas the US did not raise a finger to prevent so many other slaughters (and even approved of them sometimes, like Chile)? Even the biggest moron on Earth is just FORCED, OBLIGED, COMPELLED to SEE that there is incredible hypocrisy in the "humanitarian" argument. Your position is untenable, atkins... I repeat, how on earth can a human being utter that there are no double standards in the Us foreign policy? Malrait P.S: "pathetic" and "coward", "inefficent terms lacking punch"? Then why have you so often lost your temper with me? Look them up in a dictionary. They are perfectly pertinent here. I perfectly remember how touchy you were when I first labelled you a coward. You were even more touchy that I had showed you fled (this is the time when you started bullshitting us with your "personal background". Fortunately, I made you stop that distasteful habit. Remember?) And do not reproach me with them, you keep making personal attacks instead of answering- it is what I have always been offered here, and is always the sign that the other guy lacks either the nerve, wit, or data, to be able to counter me...
 
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tommy atkins    MAYDAY!!MAYDAY!! Arguement in trouble!!Going down in flames!!!   3/12/2002 3:17:29 PM
Eluding my questions? Nope,answered them all perfectly satisfactorly.As i will prove,however,It can get a bit stale proving someone wrong in differing ways each week,just how many times do you want to lose? "You did not answer that, but made a vague comment again the socialist enemies of democracy, blah, blah, blah..." No.The Comment was not vauge in any way.Re-read it.I questioned your source for this "torpedoing'whilst giving links to prove the chances Serbia had, had. Your unbelivable complete lack of response to my riposte proves For the third time now that you Havn't a valid point. Still no answer but a vague reference to "a site I mentioned"... No. No reference to any site.Institute for Strategic Studies."the Military Balance",It proves you wrong ,Me right and yet again you look like a child learning basic Web-fighting skills. You can repeat "still no answer" till your Blue in the face.The answer is there in black and white.....you just cant face it! "to me, that is the primary reason for NATO intervention in Kosovo" Well! You Surprise me there!"To you" it is!You dont say?Well Malriat...unless you are Jesus your Veiw counts for shit unless you can back this up! The Yanks stating that they want to keep NATO together ,in no way PROVES that this is the reason for Intervention. By the way if you have ever read ANY of my posts ,I always state that the US,UK and others are pretty Evil Guys...Dammm those double standards!.All things however are relative and the west dosnt butcher its own people because of their religion.To, as a last gasp effort at saving your veiws,decide that i beleive the West is whiter than white,dosnt cut it. You really have shot your Bolt on this one eh? The replies,weak at first,got far weaker and weaker till this is the absolute best you can pull out of the hat.This is SO funny,the great Malriat ,after spouting for weeks of his invincibility,steps into the ring and Faints.Ive never even got started! Please read your last reply and question yourself,"is that the only substance my arguement has got?" after this Reply to my points.No wavering no excuses.If your next post does not attempt to answer my questions from previous posts, then this particular massacre is over.I will have to find someone a bit more of a challange,Like CP,or Cool/Cheif! Lastly:ive never lost my temper with you.Im sitting at my computor evry so often,quite relaxed,It amuses me to see you Rant and foam against the Yanks,thats why i have parodyed you with the Foaming mouth stuff,thats not me,Its me being YOU!,but to understand that ,you would have to have wit,or the ability to laugh at yourself. As regards fleeing.You vanished for a week just,now i'm sure you werent fleeing,but it's a lot of fun to use your own unchanging tactics against you. You know what?I reckon that if us two were to go down the pub we'd get on like a house on fire.Honestly. Anyway...now try to answer my points.If not then Ill see you over on the Sierra Leon board.
 
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Malrait    RE:You're a joke, Atkins.- When will you stop fleeing?   3/13/2002 8:09:40 AM
Same pattern as the glorious time when you first stuck your nose in a discussion I was having with Joe Sixpack. Well, this is a discussion board, after all. So, you can continue your little game or ANSWER MY POINTS. 1-I first thought you had really answered some of them in a post I missed; but you now recognize that you didn't! "I provided a web site where you can check that you are wrong"... Atkins, this is the most COWARDLY answer I have ever been given!!! If you are too lazy or lack the courage to debate, stop wasting my time... 2- Never lost your temper?! Joking or what? I was not referring to your pathetic (mmmh, this adjective seriously lacks punch) "parodies", but merely to the dozens of insults you drooled at me in your first posts. Now you pretend to be cold-blooded... Is it to save your face in front of the newcomers? If you are too lazy, just down to ONE question, summarizing my position: "Humanitarian concern was NOT the primary reason (not even secondary) for NATO intervention". If you dare contradict me, what are your arguments? Malrait
 
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Jay    RE:You're a joke, Atkins.- When will you stop fleeing?   3/13/2002 12:16:17 PM
See what happens when you try to be nice to an arrogant frog Tommy? We learned our lesson when we installed DeGaulle in their sad little duchy.
 
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tommy atkins    RE:You're a joke, Atkins.- When will you stop fleeing?   3/13/2002 1:18:45 PM
1:If you are too lazy to even check the sites,repeated here for your conveinience. http://www.eia.doe.gov/cabs/balkans.html http://www.alb-net.com/misc-pages/timeline.htm. IISS"the military balance Your sole reply to my replies have been the usual abuse. 2:My parodies do not contain anger Malriat.the fact that im having to explain this form of humour, proves im wasting my time trying. Talking of wasting my time..... in my last post I wrote that UNLESS your next post contained some attempt to answer my questions then that would be a de-facto admission that you cant. True to my expectations your post merely contained 1:"I cant answer so ill just pretend that im winning whilst throwing insults" 2:Rage against the mockery i have thrown at you. 3:An admission that your arguement has collapsed to one Question. This I will answer again ,rephrased to help you understand. NATOS intervention was Primelary humanitarian as it came on the back of a Humanitarian catastrophy and not some months or years before.If this GENOCIDE was a cover for Nato expansionalism, then that is a secondary goal,Proved by the links I gave and the timing of the intervention.You are unable to DISprove this and so your veiw is that of what is "to your eyes". Personal opinion is fine.But you youself demands it be backed by FACTS.When i gave my personal opinion,grounded in the nightmare of a Kosovo tour in 2000,you dismiss personal opinion as crap. Shall I offer you the same courtorsy? As I stated in my post last,I expected return answers.Since you cannot provide them,this thread is over.You may try to boast this is "fleeing",Post it as such on the other boards!I heartily Invite you to.Very few will be fooled,but I gave you ample warning of my Expectations for your reply.You have failed. Im not prepared to try a reasoned arguement, with someone who repeats parrot fashion discredited data and personal unsubstantiated sociobabble. This has reached a natural conclusion.Your inital post has been ripped apart.each reply you lose grip on statements you made till you are left with one poor one that I have answered and you have not! We must do this again sometime!
 
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tommy atkins    To Jay   3/13/2002 1:26:59 PM
You know mate,I thought all along Malriat was some harmless little Trotskyite who just got kicks in winding up you lot over the pond. Hes actually a Bloody fanatic.Totally unreasoning. You know i have often asked myself why do people come onto groups like this. To get things off their chest. Have fun. Change peoples opinion.(Very unlikely!) Malriat seems to pretend,perhaps to himself,that he's in the third catogory.Hes in a fourth. people who are so blinded by what they have been told that they cant stand any other opinion. take care.
 
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