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SYSOP
6/23/2013 7:25:20 AM
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marat,jean
7/2/2013 10:00:27 AM
They aren't deaf. Your groundless claim that this is so and that
Two nuclear powered submarines collided.
Both quipped with nearly identical French sonar systems
and both deaf by their own noise ? Therefore your example just tells us that
two noisy submarines won't hear each other.
shows me that you do not know what you discuss.
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WarNerd
7/3/2013 6:06:35 AM
The fuel supply is limited, and, unlike batteries, there is also no way it can be recharged at sea.
An AIP can be refueled at sea. The replenishment ship “Main” is exactly thought for that task.
Also HDW already has a
methanol reformer that will ease the task to supply hydrogen.
Could you supply some sources on that. Liquid oxygen is very tricky stuff to transfer at sea.
And the methanol reformer is not a supplementary hydrogen source, it
is
the hydrogen source. For anyone interested the reaction in the reformer is CH
3
OH + H
2
O => CO + 3 x H
2
. The reaction takes place in the presence of a catalyst at 1200°F. As much heat as is possible is recycled to minimize the energy input. There is no hot exhaust.
The fuel cell itself is cold and there is no exhaust to the sea, just very pure water. However, it requires a source of pure oxygen to operate, which is stored as a cryogenic liquid.
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marat,jean
7/3/2013 10:45:58 PM
The reaction takes place in the presence of a catalyst
at 1200°F
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WarNerd
7/4/2013 3:17:41 AM
The reaction takes place in the presence of a catalyst
at 1200°F
And your point is?
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marat,jean
7/4/2013 3:44:43 AM
The point is that the heat has to be dumped in the methanol reformer.
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MHalblaub
7/15/2013 1:20:37 PM
Could you supply some sources on that. Liquid oxygen is very tricky stuff to transfer at sea.
The use of liquid oxygen once was rocket science 1945 or 1969 but today:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m36QeDoKojI
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No big difference in relation to transfer diesel.
And the methanol reformer is not a supplementary hydrogen source, it
is
the hydrogen source. For anyone interested the reaction in the reformer is CH
3
OH + H
2
O => CO + 3 x H
2
. The reaction takes place in the presence of a catalyst at 1200°F. As much heat as is possible is recycled to minimize the energy input. There is no hot exhaust.
Here is a good description of how it works:
http://juwel.fz-juelich.de:8080/dspace/bitstream/2128/4002/1/HP4a_9_Krummrich_rev0605.pdf
Temperature reformation process takes place is according to this paper just 250°C (480°F).
The only exhaust is CO2 but water at high pressures can't absorb a huge amount of Carbondioxid.
The fuel cell itself is cold and there is no exhaust to the sea, just very pure water. However, it requires a source of pure oxygen to operate, which is stored as a cryogenic liquid.
According to the paper mentioned above a methanol reformer system was already tested in 2010.
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WarNerd
7/16/2013 4:29:37 AM
Could you supply some sources on that. Liquid oxygen is very tricky stuff to transfer at sea.
The use of liquid oxygen once was rocket science 1945 or 1969 but today:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m36QeDoKojI
;;
No big difference in relation to transfer diesel.
That is on nice, stable,
dry
land. Searched the net and couldn’t find anything about oxygen, or any other cryogenic fluid, being transferred at sea.
Note the buildup of frost on the pipeline before they transfer even really gets going, that is from water (and some CO2) that condensed from the air, and those lines are insulated. Now imagine what it would be like in an environment with liquid water, any that gets on the line freezes instantly. Doesn’t take much ice before flexible hose aren’t, and valves are inaccessible.
I was involved in an
attempt
to design an offshore pipeline to transfer relatively warm (-162°C) LNG to tankers. Note the word ‘attempt’, we came up with possible solutions, but it just wasn’t practical. And we firmly ruled out any use of flexible connectors.
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