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Subject: Who are Russia's greatest allies that it can count on ?
vinuatlast    6/16/2004 3:16:04 AM
1.India 2.India 3.India Thats it..but an Indo-Russian collaboration is a force to recon with. Consider the manpower ,logistics and artillery of India combined with russian missiles and sophisticated technology and intelligence, No power can dislodge such an coallition. Indians and Russians in coming years would certainly dictate terms to the world...
 
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Knjaz       12/27/2009 1:36:47 PM
Nothing changed from Alexander II times. "Russia has only 2 allies {it can count on} - it's Army and its Fleet" (+ RVSN, and Air force)"
 
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cwDeici       12/27/2009 6:14:49 PM

India is the driving force of international Independents movement.
So India is politically against all alliances.
Having a common enemy (in Pakistan) is not enough for an alliance.


Your honour... this does not make sense!
 
...sheeze... idiots...
 
Good to see you've improved an inch from hailing yourself as 'leader of all non-aligned nations.'
 
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cwDeici       12/27/2009 6:21:15 PM
(above: referring to 'you' as 'India' of course)
I was reading on the 1962 war or one of the Pakistani wars... I don't remember, probably 1962 - and I remember reading about how India was surprised that the other neutral nations didn't rush to the aid of the 'leader of the neutrals'. Hilarious!
If India continues and increases its positive networking it will gain friends, but if India wishes to start her own bloc it would be best advised that she not advertise how it requires little to no commitments, responsibilities and rewards and not even a membership card.
 
Anyway, the OP has a point, but it's mostly just unfounded Indian nationalism as usual (though the Pakistanis are much, much worse). There are a few reasonable Indian posters around though.
 
 
 
Seriously I was expecting a serious post.
 
Anyway, it's Uzbekistan, maybe both K-stans and Tajikistan as well and obviousLY Belarus and maybe Ukraine, though Russia's doing a good job of alienating them too.
 
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cwDeici       12/27/2009 6:21:43 PM
...alienating Belarus and Ukraine of course...
 
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cwDeici       12/27/2009 6:27:21 PM

Russia is India;s ally as they provide them with alot of nuclear technologys and other technology. BY the way US is the biggest hypocrite the world has ever seen they are responsible for themselves sended food aid . They used propaganda against Commnism when unloike teh dam US they helped there Satelite nations where the US and other European countries robbed alll there colonies dry to make the homeland better. UK, France, Spain US, Belgium and Portugal robbed Africa of its future and the crwon jewels are from asian countries. Iwould like to say that any nation not classed was the west would back Russia as out of all they helped all alligned with them at the time and now unlike the hypocrite in the EU and US

When you learn to read English I suggest you take an hour off reading the Proletariat and read up on some economics.
For example the Portuguese colonies were happy and prosperous and had rights while a part of Portugal (they were not colonies) and were completely ruined by the communist-inspired Carnation revolution.
Certainly there were colonies were colonials were mistreated and 'the right to conquer' is certainly up for debate, but I note the US and England in particular are known for freeing nations and colonies and building up the international economy and supplying some dictatorship while Russia while feeding her allies systematically destroyed a third of the world economy and invaded and oppressed many countries for decades.
Russian aid is the worst thing ever to happen to China (one of my homelands).
American aid is the best thing.
 
Russia was an ally.
America was an enemy.
 
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cwDeici       12/27/2009 6:29:07 PM
replace 'American aid' with 'Western investments'
 
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bunch of sheltered morons don't know one spit about the real world
...
 
Yeah, I have both real first world and third-world credibility and communism and all its states were and are one of the worst cancers the world has ever seen!
 
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cwDeici       12/27/2009 6:31:01 PM
I can only hope that whatever morons are behind such immoral drivel lose their computer privileges and are forced to plow the land revolutionary style.
 
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cwDeici       12/27/2009 6:33:52 PM
Why couldn't Pol Pot have just forced the communists to work in the fields?
 
Oh, and what about the Shining Path? Their unique communist ideology goes as thus: Make your target area as much of a hell as literally possible (this was put into action in Peru by machete chopping of limbs among other 'ideas'), when it gets bad enough the people will all instantly become true and perfect communists and a shining utopia will rise.
 
 
 
Syndicalists and Lushenkoists are the only ones I have the slightest respect for.
 
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cwDeici       12/27/2009 6:36:07 PM
Actually I don't know much at all about Lushenkoism except they think capitalism must go first (i.e. social democracy it seems like), and even less about Syndicalists (a far too high tax rate I suppose, but lots of political freedom so it can be changed like in India (they were socialist though and definitely not Syndicalists as India was one of the democratic states with least freedom (excepting muslim ones) thanks to the caste system).
 
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cwDeici       12/27/2009 6:39:48 PM

One has to define for which situation could Russia have this or that ally.

If we're speaking about "normal" peacetime, then Russian interests are generally closer to those of France and Germany. Just look the Russian trade with the EU compared with Russian trade with other regions of the world. Also the positions on international politics are often close. Russian links with India are also real, though economically far less significant.

If we're speaking about wartime, then excluding the possibility that Russia would attack another country unprovoked, one has to wonder who could attack Russia ?

- Islamist fanatics. Well Russia is coping with this danger basically on her own. Other countries have learnt not to speak too much about Chechnya, but this is about all that Russia will get regarding that problem, though sharing information about terrorist networks is certainly already being done.

- China. Objectives being the Russian Far East of course. Well this can only be a long term risk, but I would say America, Japan and India would wish for Chinese invaders to be thwarted, out of fear that Chinese power may grow too much following a victory. Whether those countries would be prepared to send forces to defend Russia is however ANOTHER MATTER entirely ...

- America. Well this might have already happened in the shadows during the 1990s through American support for Islamist insurgents in Russian-supported Tadjikistan and in Chechnya ... but those days are over, a guy named Osama has taken care of that. About American agression against Russia in Europe, I really cannot see it. In such a situation German and French "good wishes" for Russia are a given, just as American, Indian and Japanese wishes would be in case of Chinese agression, but I cannot see West European troops helping Russia's defense against the USA ...

Great summary.
 
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