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Subject: America vs. Russia
sooner    1/30/2004 11:22:14 AM
Allies--supposedly. Who would strategically win a war?
 
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EXPERT       6/20/2009 10:12:27 AM
Even so that does not mean the they will be allies in 2 or 3 years 
 
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EXPERT       6/20/2009 10:19:17 AM
But Russia was always about mass moblization and numbers to overwhelm Nato forces if the war ever did start and nukes was a choice if they were about to get conquered
 
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EXPERT       6/20/2009 10:36:24 AM
Russia may be has bigger numbers in the army, air force, navy but they have so much people that alot of their military is untrained and expericed plus Russia is in reality like to countrys and the government is not good.  my opinion =D 
 
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murabit821       7/17/2009 5:00:51 PM
 
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THEoGray       10/7/2009 3:20:50 PM
America missed 3 planes at their home that lead to death of like 3000 people and you people thing you can catch an ICBM and i mean like 15 thousand of them from Russia. WIth all american Uber awsome and advanced equipment that can shoot flys from space
, You cant do anything to afganistan. people with old style Russian equipment and i mean Like RPG and Ak 47. I am not saying Russians could..... But we tryed that what 20 years ago. And talibans had the same equipment like they do now. SO my conlusion is that Americas technologicaly advanced and "superior" 5th gen aircrafts Best tanks in the world , best equiped soldiers in the world still die from a simple full metal jacket 7.62 bullet fierd from a Ak 47 made in 1954.
 
 
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ChakaN       10/8/2009 10:00:20 AM
Guys, I have to tell you something: you are paranoid.
 
Since WW2 the US is waging war against weak and tiny countries. Why? Always for crap!
Let's find one legit war... there is none since WW2. It's always the some noob bash, at first I though Afghanistan was the right thing to do, but what happened? The ghost of Osama is still delivering his messagem, making the mujahideen stronger, and now generals want more troops there. Terrorism is growing stronger.
 
If combat is going to happen, people want to see results, not just the snobish political crap as always.
 
A war between the US and Russia will never happen.
Russians should trade more with China, because it's easier to trust the chinese, who trust americans if not the british? Maybe just the british.
 
Sorry to tell you that, but it is the true. People around the world don't trust americans for two main reasons:
-for their politicians that lie so much through their teeth;
-yankee way of trading: looks like a vampire sucking the third world's blood, someday this will backfire, in the future a lot of americans will lose their jobs because companies will continue to open factories in other countries... the economy will stall

So, these are the main reasons that make Russia prefer China. In the future will be very, very hard for the US to make parterniships, the US will need it but won't have it. BRIC countries have a rock solid growth every year, they are geting closer, they are trustable (Russia is not that trustable because it's corruption, but it's betther than the US).
 
Empires fall, the US empira will be a short one near the other historical empires, the world is changing so quick, but the americans still did not dig it and they don't look to be wanting new friends, new partnerships, because americans are still treating the new players like crap.

Other thing, racism  is wicked sick in the US, how americans talk about other countries and their people it's something everyone should stay away from.
 
The world learned that if power is in the hands of one guy, it could be in the hands of a *******, so this will never happend again.
 
All this chat, brag and moan about war, about military and everything related will stop, because won't have the money for that, just because americans do not want to change, they do not want to see the world.
 
And I say all this based on what you say right here.
 
Ok, your turn to point your ironsights on me!
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cwDeici       10/9/2009 12:57:14 AM

Guys, I have to tell you something: you are paranoid.

 

Since WW2 the US is waging war against weak and tiny countries. Why? Always for crap!


Let's find one legit war... there is none since WW2. It's always the some noob bash, at first I though Afghanistan was the right thing to do, but what happened? The ghost of Osama is still delivering his messagem, making the mujahideen stronger, and now generals want more troops there. Terrorism is growing stronger.

 

If combat is going to happen, people want to see results, not just the snobish political crap as always.

 

A war between the US and Russia will never happen.

Russians should trade more with China, because it's easier to trust the chinese, who trust americans if not the british? Maybe just the british.


 

Sorry to tell you that, but it is the true. People around the world don't trust americans for two main reasons:


-for their politicians that lie so much through their teeth;


-yankee way of trading: looks like a vampire sucking the third world's blood, someday this will backfire, in the future a lot of americans will lose their jobs because companies will continue to open factories in other countries... the economy will stall




So, these are the main reasons that make Russia prefer China. In the future will be very, very hard for the US to make parterniships, the US will need it but won't have it. BRIC countries have a rock solid growth every year, they are geting closer, they are trustable (Russia is not that trustable because it's corruption, but it's betther than the US).


 

Empires fall, the US empira will be a short one near the other historical empires, the world is changing so quick, but the americans still did not dig it and they don't look to be wanting new friends, new partnerships, because americans are still treating the new players like crap.





Other thing, racism  is wicked sick in the US, how americans talk about other countries and their people it's something everyone should stay away from.


 

The world learned that if power is in the hands of one guy, it could be in the hands of a *******, so this will never happend again.


 

All this chat, brag and moan about war, about military and everything related will stop, because won't have the money for that, just because americans do not want to change, they do not want to see the world.

 

And I say all this based on what you say right here.


 

Ok, your turn to point your ironsights on me!

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Let's just say a person who refers to American trade as 'vampirism' and post-WW2 warfare as a 'noob bash' doesn't exactly elicit a will to reply properly, so maybe that's why you're expecting the sights to be 'turned on you'. *twitch*
 
... *resists impulse* ...
 
The following reply is in no way a flame, but a few name-like descriptions will be mentioned because I honestly know/believe they are fitting.
 
Suffice to say Ameria does not look like it will lose its superpower status, despite the worsening school system and handicapping of the space program. It is situated between the Pacific and the Atlantic and has a serious geographical as well as demographic advantage.
I am not American, but I do study economic a bit on the side and I am half-Chinese. It is with no irony that I say that with the exception of after June the 4'th for a few years American trade towards China (and generally towards most to all other nations) has been extremely generous, namely BECAUSE they open factories in other countries rather than importing into them like the British did to India. Your belief that they are vampiric is simply moronic and ignorant, and probably a product of listening and readin
 
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cwDeici       10/9/2009 1:00:59 AM
It is quite possible however, that America will eventually be forced to share economic and military supremacy with China, but unless China stands to reform it will not lose its moral leadership as the leadership of democratic nations which it kept during the entiriety of the Cold War.
 
Not that I believe overly much in democracy (or war and peace or Imperialism for that matter, I believe in very few things but Christianity, which is a much more roomy faith than most would think, Jesus accepted the Roman soldiers after all), but China's foreign policy includes the support and casual arming of genocidal states for ephemeral or strategic advantages and is thus clearly at least partially evil.
 
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cwDeici       10/9/2009 1:09:38 AM
PS. While international trade has a history of raking up profits while weakening the home base, China is notorious for losses when opening factories there.
 
There are economic theories that the modern West is a leech on the world's economy, but these arguments run the gamut of the 'globalism is evil' spectrum and has little to no substance other than perhaps some environmental concerns. Even Victorian England did much good for its economic victims such as India which actually had a considerable economy to be wrecked prior to invasion, by providing them with a proper infrastructure. The same goes for African nations only moreso, they were often poor and violent before the arrival of colonialism.
 
Indeed the prime sin of colonialism was providing prosperity and technology, which increased the populations of said countries to levels that could not be sustained politically on the provincial scale and economically without lowering the level of said governments and economies.
Many colonial powers, were unlike some others, exceedingly good at governance and were on the track towards universal suffrage such as in South and North America as well as Australia.
The hijacking of this historic trend like in Angola and Mozambique
Some sympathy could even be elicited towards ideologically evil fascist regimes like South Africa as the south of their nation was uninhabited even by the Zulu Kingdom before their arrival.
 
Much could be said for European and Japanese colonial regimes being efficient, if centered on the home country.
 
This is real life, and it is as complex as it is simple. You will do poorly to ignore this duality of life. 
 
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cwDeici       10/9/2009 1:17:01 AM
...the parameters necessary to achieve and evaluate success and failure, and economy is practically nonexistant...
The ability to measure what is fair is also paramount.
Common sense, while a good rule of thumb, does not appear to be something that you have in large arguments, of course your ideas are so corrupted that they might have overriden your common sense nor is it something which always reigns supreme. Sometimes, common sense needs a large base of knowledge. Sometimes it is not efficient, but this is exceedingly rare. 
If you wish for example to understand international trade, you must come to know of the trade which passes between nations and has done so for milennia, in detail. Then common sense, and intelligence, will aid you in the understanding of subjects.
 
One cannot simply make judgements of the fairness of things without even understanding their process or nature... to know a large number of samples. 
 
Unless of course one cares not for actuality, but ideology on how things could be, but very few ideologies have no examples to back them up.
 
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