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Subject: Turkish Army moving 57 battalions to south eastrern Turkey.
okan    4/20/2006 10:49:47 AM
A total number of 240.000 strong.What do you think this is for?A defense aganist Iran or preperation of an invasion of N.Iraq?
 
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okan    RE:Turkish Army moving 57 battalions to south eastrern Turkey.   4/20/2006 11:45:26 AM
They also moved the army headquarters to Sirnak province in SE Turkey.
 
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okan    RE:Turkish Army moving 57 battalions to south eastrern Turkey.   4/20/2006 2:23:22 PM
 
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kane    RE:Turkish Army moving 57 battalions to south eastrern Turkey.   4/20/2006 4:08:35 PM
i hope we'll enter N.Iraq someday
 
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Schackleford    RE:Turkish Army moving 57 battalions to south eastrern Turkey.   5/12/2006 4:00:24 AM
"i hope we'll enter N.Iraq someday" Why?
 
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kane    RE:shackleford   5/12/2006 9:50:52 AM
because we have a casus belli on N.Iraq.After indepence war we gathering our lands and N.Iraq was in it.But the area was under English control(they took it in 1.world war but we beat them again)N.Iraq was in Misak-ý Milli borders. "Misak-ý Milli"=motherland should be under Turkish control and it has big Turkmen population which are under Kurdish control England told the extremists in east turkey to revolt.Supported them(Þeyh Sait Ýsyaný)-we had to fight aganist rebels so the N.Iraq and Hatay(antioch) couldn't be taken after death of Atatürk we accomplished one taking Hatay back but N.Iraq is still not our and Turkiþsh population there became lower
 
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Scratchie    RE:to Kane   5/12/2006 10:54:11 AM
Kane, what are you talking about? The only reason we might get into N.Iraq is to kick the terrorists' asses (PKK) We DON'T want someone else's land. If we get in there to invade N.Iraq, then we are no different than Israel, or Tamil tigers in Sri Lanka.
 
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olive greens    Quite astonishing, really   5/12/2006 4:10:54 PM
because we have a casus belli on N.Iraq.After indepence war we gathering our lands and N.Iraq was in it.But the area was under English control(they took it in 1.world war but we beat them again)N.Iraq was in Misak-� Milli borders. "Misak-� Milli"=motherland should be under Turkish control and it has big Turkmen population which are under Kurdish control England told the extremists in east turkey to revolt.Supported them(�eyh Sait �syan�)-we had to fight aganist rebels so the N.Iraq and Hatay(antioch) couldn't be taken after death of Atat�rk we accomplished one taking Hatay back but N.Iraq is still not our and Turki�sh population there became lower How young kane can glibly deny Kurds an ethnic-homeland, while in the same breath demand annexation of lands with even minority Turkic population. Personally, I dont see any objection to a multi-ethnic Turkey as it is today. My own country is a teeming federation of hundreds of ethnic groupings. And I have no problem with nations that consistenly build on a single ethnic identity. But the sheer hypocricy of having both a Turkic majority, multi-ethnic country AND expanding into Turkic minority lands?
 
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kane    RE:scratchie   5/13/2006 4:27:16 AM
"Kane, what are you talking about? The only reason we might get into N.Iraq is to kick the terrorists' asses (PKK) We DON'T want someone else's land. If we get in there to invade N.Iraq, then we are no different than Israel, or Tamil tigers in Sri Lanka" you are right but those lands were our.We were so close to take them but brits did what they do best and stopped us from taking there now the Turkmen population in N.Iraq is lower so taking it would be foolishly but it still belongs to us
 
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kane    RE:olive greens   5/13/2006 4:34:34 AM
"Personally, I dont see any objection to a multi-ethnic Turkey as it is today. My own country is a teeming federation of hundreds of ethnic groupings. And I have no problem with nations that consistenly build on a single ethnic identity. But the sheer hypocricy of having both a Turkic majority, multi-ethnic country AND expanding into Turkic minority lands?" no thats not what i meant?! if we look from that wiev.Whole north India,Central Asia,east russia,west china,balkans and middle east would belong to us THATS NOT WHAT I MEAN after seperation of Ottomans we were invaded by brits,french,armenians and greeks(indepence war) after this war we began to gather our lands one by one by diplomacy(misak-ý milli lands were the lands that we should take and only north iraq was left) so we asked for N.Iraq too(in 1920s and 30s) Brýts used their power in the area and supported rebels(þeyh sait isyaný) we had to fight aganist them SO brits didn't gave us N.Iraq and they said you have problems you can not take here i'm sure there would be another war between britain and Turkey for there(because of the oil in the area) and Turkey wouldn't be able to afford such a war because Turkey just came out of a war and it was rebuilding itself so we didn't take N.Iraq after 2.world war Britain gave freedom to those countries and went away thats it
 
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FANTASMA       9/20/2006 7:06:50 AM

because we have a casus belli on N.Iraq.After indepence war we gathering our lands and N.Iraq was in it.But the area was under English control(they took it in 1.world war but we beat them again)N.Iraq was in Misak-ý Milli borders.

"Misak-ý Milli"=motherland should be under Turkish control and it has big Turkmen population which are under Kurdish control

England told the extremists in east turkey to revolt.Supported them(Þeyh Sait Ýsyaný)-we had to fight aganist rebels so the N.Iraq and Hatay(antioch) couldn't be taken

after death of Atatürk we accomplished one taking Hatay back but N.Iraq is still not our and Turkiþsh population there became lower
By they same logic of "gathering lands"you would like to enter Greece, Bulgaria, Fyrom, Albania, the rest of Cyprus, Yugoslavia, the rest of Syria after taking the Hatay province, Northern Iraq, Lebanon, Israel, Egypt, Libya, Tynesia and be back to the gates of Vienna..What about the mother land of the Kurdish population?? The 15 mn in your country have a right of self determination?? The 5mn Kurds in Iraq seems that dont have and the 500.000 Turcmen have more rights than them and you want to annex the area??

 
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