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Subject: McCain or Obama - which will be better for Australia's interests
hairy man    10/23/2008 9:32:03 PM
McCain or Obama - which will be better for Australia's interests. Would one or the other be more likely to cut F35 numbers, thus making it more expensive and less attractive to Australia? Or increase F22 numbers, making it cheaper, and giving Australia access to the F22. Or are they both likely to make the same decisions?
 
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Arty Farty       10/24/2008 3:18:24 AM
Strategically for Australia, I don't think you can go wrong with either of them. Obama spent time in Indonesia and Hawaii. McCain great interest in SE Asia politics (obvious reasons) and has visited Australia, visited Kiribilli last time.
 
Pentagon procurement? Much more tricky. Obama and the Democrats have unions to satisfy. McCain has has a history of being outspoken about Pentagon spending habits, pretty much screwed the USAF and Boeing in the tanker contest.
 
Go with Obama. He's much more of a moderate than one would suspect, he'd want to please everyone.
 


 
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Arty Farty       10/24/2008 3:24:05 AM
Pentagon divided over McCain:
h t t p://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/washingtondc/la-na-mccainmil13-2008oct13,0,6162783.story
 " ..... Perhaps unlike other civilian leaders, McCain would be able to draw on his experience and knowledge of the military to reject the advice of generals and admirals."
 
 
Obama advisor backs dual-buy for KC-X tankers:
h t t p://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/the-dewline/2008/10/defense-daily-obama-adviser-ba.html
 
 
 
 
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gf0012-aust       10/24/2008 3:43:49 AM

Would one or the other be more likely to cut F35 numbers, thus making it more expensive and less attractive to Australia? Or increase F22 numbers, making it cheaper, and giving Australia access to the F22. Or are they both likely to make the same decisions?

Neither.  The US President can't influence cost.
 
From what we see, the F-22 line is likely to be shutdown ( and probably more of a chance of that happening with Obama than McCain)
Re the JSF - the only immediate impact on our end price is if the US cuts their own numbers - and that will impact on all partners, not just australia.
 
Personally, I think that Obama is a bigger house of cards than Palin - the major difference is that he's going for the job whereas she gets it by circumstance.
 
Militarily, Obama is the best thing for the US's enemies because he will take the sword to all the services.
 
 
 
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Aussiegunneragain       10/24/2008 5:09:13 AM
Looking more broadly than aircraft purchasing decisions I'd say McCain. He is pro-free trade and more focused on international affairs, so I think he would be a better alliance partner than Obama.
If I were a yank I'd be giving Obama a shot though as I think he has the best fixes for some serious domestic problems in health and education.
 
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HERALD1357    AGA   10/25/2008 8:30:40 PM

Looking more broadly than aircraft purchasing decisions I'd say McCain. He is pro-free trade and more focused on international affairs, so I think he would be a better alliance partner than Obama.


If I were a yank I'd be giving Obama a shot though as I think he has the best fixes for some serious domestic problems in health and education.

Neither one of those men is qualified to take care of the biggest problem we face which is our credit market meltdown.
 
I don't think any of our Australian friends really realize how fouled up the US is at the moment. We are in TROUBLE.
 
 We have socialist bums, like Obama, and economic inepticons, like McCain, largely to thank for it.
 
If you want to know what I mean, you need to become familiar with the long corrupt history of such American government sponsored enterprises like Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac. 
 

 
Given my druthers I'd rather sit on the jury that tries Obama, rather than elect him to any office in any capacity whatsoever. 
 
Herald
 
 
Herald

 
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Aussiegunneragain       10/26/2008 12:59:07 AM




Looking more broadly than aircraft purchasing decisions I'd say McCain. He is pro-free trade and more focused on international affairs, so I think he would be a better alliance partner than Obama.

If I were a yank I'd be giving Obama a shot though as I think he has the best fixes for some serious domestic problems in health and education.




Neither one of those men is qualified to take care of the biggest problem we face which is our credit market meltdown.

 

I don't think any of our Australian friends really realize how fouled up the US is at the moment. We are in TROUBLE.


 

 We have socialist bums, like Obama, and economic inepticons, like McCain, largely to thank for it.


 

If you want to know what I mean, you need to become familiar with the long corrupt history of such American government sponsored enterprises like Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac. 

 






 

Given my druthers I'd rather sit on the jury that tries Obama, rather than elect him to any office in any capacity whatsoever. 


 

Herald


 

 

Herald





No trust me I know how ferked up the economy is there, I've just come back and apart from the election it is all anybody is talking about. You don't ask people what they do in NYC at the moment, because half of them are likely to say "I've just been laid off".  
However like you say both options don't look that flash, so the economy might have to recover despite them. In themeantime I'd still be looking at Obama if I were a yank. Perhaps with him splashing around some cash he might stimulate a recovery by accident.
 
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HERALD1357       10/26/2008 3:05:03 AM

AGA wrote:

No trust me I know how ferked up the economy is there, I've just come back and apart from the election it is all anybody is talking about. You don't ask people what they do in NYC at the moment, because half of them are likely to say "I've just been laid off".  


However like you say both options don't look that flash, so the economy might have to recover despite them. In themeantime I'd still be looking at Obama if I were a yank. Perhaps with him splashing around some cash he might stimulate a recovery by accident.


 
I was not kidding when I said I would prefer to try Obama. The man is famous as a corrupt political disaster in Chicago.
 
Herald

 

 
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YelliChink       10/26/2008 5:22:22 PM


 
I was not kidding when I said I would prefer to try Obama. The man is famous as a corrupt political disaster in Chicago.

Herald

I am not sure Obama is to be blamed for Chicago politics. However, politics in the City of Chicago is always corrupted and inept. Take the 11% sales tax as an example. They sit at the premium commercial center in Midwest and has highest sales and gas tax. That is an alarm for failed governing in the first place. The large black community lived under poorly managed neighborhoods without police protection. The school system is virtually segregated, and construction projects are used to drive blacks further south to the border of the city. The public transportation is in disarray and the service sucks. They even threatened shutting down bus rountes to get more funding for their pork project.
 
In short, politics in City of Chicago sucks, because public servants serves themselves.
 
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HERALD1357       10/26/2008 6:34:06 PM






 


I was not kidding when I said I would prefer to try Obama. The man is famous as a corrupt political disaster in Chicago.



Herald





I am not sure Obama is to be blamed for Chicago politics. However, politics in the City of Chicago is always corrupted and inept. Take the 11% sales tax as an example. They sit at the premium commercial center in Midwest and has highest sales and gas tax. That is an alarm for failed governing in the first place. The large black community lived under poorly managed neighborhoods without police protection. The school system is virtually segregated, and construction projects are used to drive blacks further south to the border of the city. The public transportation is in disarray and the service sucks. They even threatened shutting down bus rountes to get more funding for their pork project.

 

In short, politics in City of Chicago sucks, because public servants serves themselves.


Old Indiana saying......."in a stew made from rotten fish, the rottenest fish is what makes the stew stink the worst":.
 
Obama is the rottenest of the stinking fish.
 
He may be a result of Chicago politics instead of its cause, but like Jimmy Carter was the product of corrupt state of Georgia racist bigoted politics, Chicago politics is no excuse for what Obama  is.
 
Herald
 
 

 
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YelliChink       10/26/2008 8:32:27 PM


Old Indiana saying......."in a stew made from rotten fish, the rottenest fish is what makes the stew stink the worst":.

Herald

In Indochina, people call that fish source.
 
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