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gf0012-aust 6/15/2010 1:07:35 AM

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gf0012-aust 6/15/2010 1:11:31 AM

for those in canberra.....

?THE JOINT STRIKE FIGHTER?—A PRESENTATION BY MR TOM BURBAGE, EXECUTIVE VICE PRESIDENT, LOCKHEED?MARTIN AERONAUTICS1

Russell Offices, R1 Ground Floor Theatrette

Wednesday, 16 June 2010 at 1700 Hours

2.Mr Tom Burbage, Executive Vice President, Lockheed-Martin Aeronautics, will address the United Services Institute of the Australian Capital Territory (USI of the ACT) on ?The Joint Strike Fighter' on Wednesday, 16 June 2010 in the Russell Offices R1 Ground Floor Theatrette at 1700 h.

3.Mr Burbage will provide a detailed overview of the background to, and an update on the current status of the multinational Joint Strike Fighter Project. In the context of changing global strategic requirements he will also share his thoughts about the ability of the Joint Strike Fighter to meet Australia?s future Air Combat Capability needs.

4.The aims of the USI of the ACT are to promote informed debate, and to improve public awareness and understanding, of defence and national security. Members and guests of the USI of the ACT are welcome to attend this presentation as well as interested persons who are not currently members.

5.USI of the ACT membership applications will be available at the presentation, via the web at: http://rusi.org.au or can be obtained from the Contact Officer.

Ian Pearson

Air Commodore, RAAFAR
Vice-President

United Services Institute of the Australian Capital Territory

Distribution: 1, 2, 3, 4, 6

Contact Officer: Major Baden Taylor

Secretary
USI of the ACT

Telephone: 6265 9682/6266 3446

Facsimile: 6266 4378

Email: [email protected]

Internet: http://rusi.org.au

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Aussie Diggermark 2 6/15/2010 4:08:50 AM

You going?

You should ask Tom Burbage what he thinks of Eurofighters recent 5th Gen fighter claims?

Should be good for a laugh...

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gf0012-aust 6/15/2010 5:11:27 AM

nah, I've got conflicting priors... I attended his last show and tell as part of the Avalon brief. I don't expect too much to have changed (apart from the fact that the USG likes the way we do forward estimates and wants to fix their procurement model to do fixed cost rather than get raped again on time and materials)

I went to a Typhoon briefing a while back - the RAF exchange pilot didn't think they were 5th gen - in fact he made the distinction that it was an incremental 4th - albeit a very good one.

don't you love marketing :) even Boeing try to pitch the Shornet as 5th gen (!!) Wankers.

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Aussiegunneragain 6/15/2010 8:48:25 AM

don't you love marketing :) even Boeing try to pitch the Shornet as 5th gen (!!) Wankers.

LM should just start calling the F-35 a 6th gen ... that'd fuck'em

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Aussie Diggermark 2 6/16/2010 2:22:35 AM

I went to a Typhoon briefing a while back - the RAF exchange pilot didn't think they were 5th gen - in fact he made the distinction that it was an incremental 4th - albeit a very good one.

don't you love marketing :) even Boeing try to pitch the Shornet as 5th gen (!!) Wankers.

Fair enough. I saw Boeing talking the Shornet up. Like the Typhoon, it's a good aircraft, but come on. Who are they trying to kid? The USN? Eurofighter Consortium is the same...

Clearly their recent efforts are aimed at India, the thinking being I suspect, that if they can garner sufficient broad-sheet media exposure, that the Pollies might just order that their particular product be anointed as the "chosen one". It is extremely transparent. The thing is though, that Boeing has the better claim, given that the radar and avionics extant in the Bk2 Shornet were intended for the F-32, should they have won...

Who can blame them though? 126x aircraft as a minimum will dwarf ANY fighter sale in the last 10 years. The funny thing is though, is that Goon et al, see this as a vindication of their own stance over the years. They don't even have the wit to see, that this is merely smoke and mirrors and aimed, not at all at JSF, but rather current acquisition programs...

If you need further proof, witness his ranting at thedewline and Ares in recent days...

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Volkodav 6/16/2010 9:15:45 AM

Sweet, thanks for that AD, just had a read on ARES and it made my night.

Goons been out the RAAF for how many years? PMSL I changed jobs just on a year ago and wouldn't know where to start in my old job if I was sent back tomorrow. That this goose thinks he knows what he legally is not allowed to know is hilarious.

On the F-35, the fact is it is what we are getting and it will do the job we need it to do, which, based on the real world is probably training, exercises and airshows. Even if we did need them in a shooting war chances are a grand total of 36 (or even round it up to 40) would probably be as many as we would need as there simply aren't hordes of SU35++++++++++s that need to be countered.

For the sort of stuff the RAAF is likely to be doing in the coming decade, a silver bullet force of F-35 backed up by SH and HUG Bugs would suit us just fine. Post 2020 F-35 is still the silver bullet, 12 Growlers and 3 or 4 dozen UCAV and / or Gen 4.5+ fighters. Still leaves us with the most advanced and capable airforce in the region with the added flexibility to change direction towards a future Gen 6 optionally manned type should the strategic situation dictate so post 2030.

Can't help but feel the full 100 F-35 would be an over kill not to mention a waste of money when a couple of dozen would permit us to wipe the floor with anything that could be sent against us in the next decade or two.

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Aussiegunneragain 6/19/2010 8:06:08 AM

We only need an isolationist US Government and an anti-Australian Indonesiaon military regime allied to a China under a leadership with neo-imperialist ambitions to change that with one deployment of a couple of groups of SU's to change things very quickly.

Probable? No. However, there have been improbable wars in history so we should be as prepared as possible for the improbable. If we can afford 100 F-35's then IMHO we should get them.

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SteveJH 6/20/2010 4:46:03 AM

Probable? No. However, there have been improbable wars in history so we should be as prepared as possible for the improbable. If we can afford 100 F-35's then IMHO we should get them.

Well the first part is probably more likely now then it has in a very long time, given the US's current financial position which hasnt exactly been helped by their involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan. Throw in a couple of more Incidents involving so-called "foreign" companies like BP.........

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Barracuda Spitfire 6/20/2010 7:39:33 AM

On beautiful fighters ... I saw a Spitfire fly over today. No airshow, just over town. How cool, never seen one before in the air. Maybe in a 60 years someone could say the same about the JSF. Hopefully it isn't still operational in the RAAF.

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Volkodav 6/21/2010 7:25:36 AM

Probable? No. However, there have been improbable wars in history so we should be as prepared as possible for the improbable. If we can afford 100 F-35's then IMHO we should get them.

Basically if we avoid spending all of our money on one type we also avoid block obsolescence, a single technical problem grounding the entire fleet, a single counter measure or tactic effectively countering our entire force etc.

The F-35, like the F/A-18, F-16, F-15, Typhoon, Gripen, SU-XX, Mig-XX will continue to evolve so buying 100 block 3 F-35s before 2020 will lock us into the early model without the potential to incrementally supplement the force with newer types as required.

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