>>Ok, time to settle down on something, I suggest we all go read Marcinko's Rogue Warrior (the autobiography not the stupid fiction he wrote later). You have to love that guy hes just so friggin funny, and hey he loves the SAS so we can all bask in the knowledge that Marcinko brings us together<< True, excellent book. And for all of you who think the SEALs aren't professional, realize the Marcinko's regular SEAL platoon kick some USASOC tail...and his Devgru kicked some Kampfschwimmer (sorry, still don't know how to spell the unit) arse in exercises. Talk about SF versatility...he kicked some combat swimmer (Kampfschwimmer) >and< landwarfare (SF) tail :)

I WAS TALKIN ABOUT SEALS..OT THE ENTIRE INTERNATIONAL NAVAL OPS COMMUNITY...FURTHER MORE THE SEALS DYING I REFFERED TO INVOLVE THE CURRENT WAR ON TERRORISM (LAND BASED) TERRIBLE MORTALITY RATES, ARMY RANGERS OR SOF FORCES ARE DOING PRETTY GOOD KEEPING ALIVE!

YES YES, I AGREE MARICNKO'S TEAM IS THE SH*T! BUT ILL STILL TAKE SAS 4 OUT OF 5 MISSIONS ( THE ONE BEING A WATER BASED MISSION)

>>I WAS TALKIN ABOUT SEALS..OT THE ENTIRE INTERNATIONAL NAVAL OPS COMMUNITY...FURTHER MORE THE SEALS DYING I REFFERED TO INVOLVE THE CURRENT WAR ON TERRORISM (LAND BASED) TERRIBLE MORTALITY RATES, ARMY RANGERS OR SOF FORCES ARE DOING PRETTY GOOD KEEPING ALIVE!<< You have no facts to back you up...I would really >LOVE< to see a list of SOF forces mortality rates in the WOT (although I seriously doubt you would ever legally obtain one)...everything else is heresay

>>YES YES, I AGREE MARICNKO'S TEAM IS THE SH*T! BUT ILL STILL TAKE SAS 4 OUT OF 5 MISSIONS ( THE ONE BEING A WATER BASED MISSION)<< Well, I would take ST6 5 out of 5 missions...but I think we are both biased here.

I would love to continue this yelling match, but unfortunately, I can't see your post for all the adds in the way :) Seriously, no need to post caps. This might sound kind of silly, but since this is a 'discussion' caps equal yelling...and yelling is not a good way to make friends on a new forum.

wasn't it a seal unit got hit bad when they lost the chopper going in to extract the 4 guys on the ground a while back in 'stan? a single bad hit like that would seriously distort casualty figures i would think.

They have had alot of incidents with helicopters...and none of them their fault. They don't pilot the Blackhawk and they don't cause bad weather....so I think it is more bad luck than anything (even though I don't believe their casualty numbers are any higher than other SOF forces)

>>You have no facts to back you up...I would really >LOVE< to see a list of SOF forces mortality rates in the WOT (although I seriously doubt you would ever legally obtain one)...everything else is heresay<< I'm pretty sure he's correct that the SEALs are leading the league in combat losses, actually, as far as American SOF units are concerned. Some of that would stem from the mass casualty sort of incidents they've been involved in, however, and some of those (*some* of the MH-47 shootdowns they've been involved in, for instance) are not necessarily a reflection on SEAL operators or their doctrine.

>>They have had alot of incidents with helicopters...and none of them their fault.<< "Some" not "none." The geniuses who opted to land directly on top of Roberts Ridge were SEALs up and down the chain of command, for instance, and that generated one of the nastiest days for SOCOM in the GWOT prior to the SEAL SR team getting compromised followed by shoot down of the QRF, etc. In that latter event I've heard no reports to date suggesting the SEALs on board the Chinook were to blame in any way, shape or form for the shootdown. Remember at the end of the day, transport rotary wing aviation is essentially a taxi service, and usually the guy riding in the back has a good deal of input into the ride. Maybe not the entry level grunt, SEAL, whoever, but the transported chain of command, not the transporting one, plans where to go, etc. The pilots, even 160th guys and AFSOC, are there to go where and do what they're told by the "customer." If they fly into the side of a mountain or something that's solidly on them, but if they fly where they're supposed to go and it happens to be the site of an enemy AAA battery or something, that's on the guys who decided that's the LZ or PZ they want, not the pilots . . .