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Subject: NAVY SEALS VS BRITISH SAS
LJ813    7/1/2005 9:34:17 PM
I WILL GO FOR THE NAVY..
 
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KimberCustom2       1/24/2008 5:05:46 PM
well, I apologize if I am stirring this issue up again. Regardless,  reading down the list of comments got me heated so I wanted to throw in my two cents about the Navy SEALs. I did say I dont see how anyone could be better than them, but that dosnt mean I dont think other units are on the same ballfield. I only talked about the Navy SEALs, I did not mention them being superior to another unit. And yes I was referring to Marcus Luttrells novel and if you havnt read it and you like Navy SEALs, its a really good read. Not a boring page in the book.
 
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KimberCustom2       1/24/2008 7:31:13 PM
well, I apologize if I am stirring this issue up again. Regardless,  reading down the list of comments got me heated so I wanted to throw in my two cents about the Navy SEALs. I did say I dont see how anyone could be better than them, but that dosnt mean I dont think other units are on the same ballfield. I only talked about the Navy SEALs, I did not mention them being superior to another unit. And yes I was referring to Marcus Luttrells novel and if you havnt read it and you like Navy SEALs, its a really good read. Not a boring page in the book.
 
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mghtylk       1/25/2008 7:18:14 AM
Navy SEALS  train every bit as hard as SAS or harder SEAL stands for sea ,air,land they train for every climate and terrain and I might ad that includes the arctic.Green Berets,Along with Seals and Recon Rangers were the Original SPECIAL FORCES  and RECON MARINES who were actually older than the SEALS and  did not like too train with the SEALS shortly after they,re founding because they did,nt agree with they,re training methods.SAS also trains for all terrains including Oceanic Operations though they were the first too take out terrorists in ninja fashion in an urban setting on international tv in awe inspiring fashion GSG9  are some deady TEUTONIC commandos also and cant leave out HA MOSSAD EITHER
 
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mghtylk       1/25/2008 7:18:20 AM
Navy SEALS  train every bit as hard as SAS or harder SEAL stands for sea ,air,land they train for every climate and terrain and I might ad that includes the arctic.Green Berets,Along with Seals and Recon Rangers were the Original SPECIAL FORCES  and RECON MARINES who were actually older than the SEALS and  did not like too train with the SEALS shortly after they,re founding because they did,nt agree with they,re training methods.SAS also trains for all terrains including Oceanic Operations though they were the first too take out terrorists in ninja fashion in an urban setting on international tv in awe inspiring fashion GSG9  are some deady TEUTONIC commandos also and cant leave out HA MOSSAD EITHER
 
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ArtyEngineer       1/25/2008 8:36:11 AM

Navy SEALS  train every bit as hard as SAS or harder SEAL stands for sea ,air,land they train for every climate and terrain and I might ad that includes the arctic.Green Berets,Along with Seals and Recon Rangers were the Original SPECIAL FORCES  and RECON MARINES who were actually older than the SEALS and  did not like too train with the SEALS shortly after they,re founding because they did,nt agree with they,re training methods.SAS also trains for all terrains including Oceanic Operations though they were the first too take out terrorists in ninja fashion in an urban setting on international tv in awe inspiring fashion GSG9  are some deady TEUTONIC commandos also and cant leave out HA MOSSAD EITHER


Wow, and there we have it gentlemen.  The definitive and hopefully closing argument to what has been a most intellectually stimulating thread.  The SAS are NINJA's!!!!!!! 
 
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Ehran       1/25/2008 11:57:39 AM

you have a pool of smart skilled and highly motivated guys with a set of tasks to prepare for.  it shouldn't come as much of a surprise that the training for those tasks winds up looking similar especially given the frequent cross training with and observation of other units in similar lines of work.

 
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mough       1/26/2008 5:46:18 PM
Kimber can I just say this, you made a statement about how long it takes to work up a SEAL, which is true, you get badged in the SAS/SBS in 6 months after selection, but the difference is, that most SAS guys come from the Paras already an elite trained in land warfare, most of the rest are infantry |(Brit inf so better then most, and the odd others, RM, RAF regiment ect), the SBS is manned by the vast majority by RM's, already an elite trained in land warfare and amphibious and harsh climate, most SEAL's are either guys fresh out of recruit training or guys coming off of ships, a large percentage of what they learn in that year is basic LW skills, theres a reason why there are 2 tiers of SEAL's, the regular SEAL teams and then guys who pass into DEVGRU who would be more along the line of what the SAS/SBS do


this is not a SEAL clubbing on my part just the way the  USN went about creating the SEALs.

 
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dirtykraut       1/27/2008 9:45:14 PM
Mough, about 90% of the guys going to BUD/s are either guys with SEAL challenge contracts, or are volunteers in basic or A-school. The 10% of the fleet who go to BUD/s are generally guys who don't like ships (guys who chose the wrong military branch or career).
 
I also agree that it is ridiculous to compare units by the length of their training. In fact, I would argue that spending too much in an initial training environment, wether it is basic training or one of the Special Operations pipelines, can be detrimental to the training of the unit. I've heard that a lot of guys just getting out of SFQC realise how little they actually knew compared to the guys who have been in group a while and how much more they learned when they were on a team. In an initial training environment there's a lot of things that slow down the pace of the training (waiting to get people qualed, administration, etc). And the most important thing is that it isn't the real thing. Far more effective training can be done with your SF detachment/SEAL platoon/SAS Squadron etc. Initial training environments are supposed to lay down a good solid foundation, not make anyone an expert in anything. That is at least the opinion of someone who spent some time in the conventional army, I doubt it would be different for SOF. The only exception to this rule is the Special Tactics guys, who have a lot of technical schools to go to on top of everything else.
 
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GOP       1/31/2008 2:21:35 AM
This is some pretty retarded stuff here. Guys who have read 4-5 books arguing with guys like Mough and Bob who are/were in the business.
 
There is a reason that CAG, DEVGRU, SAS, SBS, GSG-9, etc get all of the 'high profile', ultra-classified (well, not to make it sound too 'ninja' or false) missions. They are Tier 1 units. They generally get the best guys, the most money, the best facilities, the latest/greatest weapons, and most importantly (regarding missions) they get the most faith placed in them by our leaders.
 
Honestly, we have dealt with 500 pages of bs. We are all being too political and stupid here. Most of us would agree the SAS is better at shared tasks (DA for example) than your average SEAL Team. There's a reason for that. Money/Facilities/Weapons/Training is typically more/better. Yeah, I may be out of line. Sue me. I'm being honest here.
 
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static       1/31/2008 3:30:56 AM

...SAS also trains for all terrains including Oceanic Operations though they were the first too take out terrorists in ninja fashion in an urban setting on international tv...


Ok Bob be honest, how much ninja training did you receive?  No funny stuff!  And did you use said ninja skill set in awe inspiring fashion on international TV?  In an urban setting?  We need the truth!
 
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